I second Mike's comments. I joined the ipod mob just this year. The ipod Touch is like having a very small wireless computer with you at all times but they are still pretty spendy, limited in capacity and more vulnerable to 'issues'. After tons of research I decided for my music needs the Classic 80gig would be fine. You can still have games, pics, vids and all that ancillary crap on there if you wish...just not the 'wi-fi' or touch screen bells and whistles. Its also a very reliable, time tested platform. I found a used/like new 80g on ebay for just under $100. I have 4400 songs and 5 games on it and have used less than HALF of the memory.