I like all era's of KISS, but for my money, I thought the musicianship and overall output was much better in the 80's. I know I'm one of the few who feel this way, so I don't expect many to agree. The point I am trying to make is that the 80's would never had been made possible with Peter and/or Ace. Not that they weren't talented enough, they just wasn't determined as much as Paul & Gene.