I liked 'em both but didn't love them. My band at the time actually learned/played a song from the first one. Can't recall the name of it tho,and of course no one knew it,so we only kept it for 5 minutes in the sets. Don't think that rock radio ever showed them much love-if any back then. Kansas rolled on w/ elefante as they were already so established. PLus the hit Play The Game tonite didn't hurt 'em,either. Last time they got any real airplay for new stuff,tho. glad they sustained their popularity over all the years as a concert draw. But it IS sad they won't record new music. The Freaks Of Nature cd was decent to good,if not quite up to par with their classic lps. Maybe Native Window will do another cd. I liked that cd quite a lot,even tho it's not Kansas,style-wise. T