A different perspective...
Posted by: Steve_Roamer ()
Date: December 22, 2012 10:30PM

I have read this thread with interest. Mitch is clearly never going to agree with the idea of banning semi-automatic weapons from the general public but I thought I'd add couple of observations from other countries.

New Zealand (my current domicile) openly sells guns. It freaked me out to see a major gun store next to a toy shop and opposite a pet store and still does to an extent. However, buying a gun is not easy. To get a license you have to have background checks which consider criminal, mental, medical, addiction and domestic violence and interviews are conducted with an applicant's spouse, partner, or next of kin before issuing a gun licence. Ownership for self-defence is strictly prohibited. Guns are allowed for hunting and little else really.

In Denmark (my previous domicile) applicants for a gun owner’s licence have to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection; and pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records.

In the Uk (my birthplace) background checks are also required, as is a genuine reason and third party references. Handguns and semiautomatic weapons are prohibited for common use.

This site was useful to get details on gun regulations: www.gunpolicy.org.

Someone intent enough on getting an illegal weapon will most likely be able to get one, just as someone intent on killing a large number of people with a bomb will. I just don't think making it easy to get one exactly helps matters, and I think that is borne out by the frequency of shootings in schools reported globally: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html. The US lead the world in this sad statistic.

I'm not a US citizen and don't really understand the deep-seated compulsion on many towards their right to own a gun. I don't feel relaxed around any kind of firearm. However, even accepting this as a right, I still don't understand why anyone outside the armed or justice forces should have access to a firearm capable of firing 30 shots in 30 seconds. If they were not available, perhaps a few more of the children tragically killed at Sandy Hook and all the other schools where shootings had been seen would be alive now.

My thoughts to all those affected in this terrible tragedy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2012 10:31PM by Steve_Roamer.



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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 486 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 03:51AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 462 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 03:58AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 444 Tony Bainbridge 12/22/2012 03:58AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 426 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 04:01AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 422 Andrew 12/22/2012 08:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 399 Leet2607 12/22/2012 04:05AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 389 Coco 12/22/2012 04:22AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 414 JMac 12/22/2012 04:29AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 373 Coco 12/22/2012 04:35AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 378 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 04:37AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 373 Coco 12/22/2012 04:38AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 384 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 04:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 330 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:18AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 328 Coco 12/22/2012 07:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 367 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:17AM
Re: Liberals 351 rocknut 12/22/2012 09:13PM
Re: Liberals 330 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:17AM
Re: Liberals 273 rocknut 12/23/2012 06:34AM
Re: Liberals 368 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:35AM
Re: Liberals 308 rocknut 12/23/2012 06:52AM
Re: Liberals 323 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:57AM
Re: Liberals 308 rocknut 12/23/2012 07:01AM
Re: Liberals 287 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:03AM
FBI STATS 272 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:09AM
Re: FBI STATS 278 stryper 12/23/2012 06:38PM
Re: FBI STATS 271 Snake65 12/23/2012 11:49PM
Re: FBI STATS 259 Coco 12/24/2012 12:27AM
Re: FBI STATS 297 SNorander 12/25/2012 03:48AM
Re: FBI STATS 217 Troy 12/25/2012 04:53AM
Re: FBI STATS 220 SNorander 12/25/2012 05:17AM
Re: FBI STATS 221 Troy 12/25/2012 05:28AM
Re: FBI STATS 314 Coco 12/25/2012 05:24AM
Re: FBI STATS 218 Snake65 12/26/2012 02:41AM
Re: FBI STATS 246 Coco 12/26/2012 03:37AM
Re: FBI STATS 226 Snake65 12/26/2012 07:18AM
Re: FBI STATS 246 Ross S. 12/25/2012 04:27AM
Re: Liberals 348 rocknut 12/23/2012 07:15AM
Re: Liberals 299 Coco 12/23/2012 07:18AM
Re: Liberals 300 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:20AM
Re: Liberals 244 Gav1 12/23/2012 12:43PM
Re: Liberals 249 Coco 12/23/2012 08:11PM
Re: Liberals 202 Walk In The Shadows 12/23/2012 11:13PM
Re: Liberals 225 SNorander 12/25/2012 03:39AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 353 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:20AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 334 JMac 12/22/2012 07:41AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 352 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:43AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 281 JMac 12/22/2012 08:02AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 284 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:06AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 262 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 08:36AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 284 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:56AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 324 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:15AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 285 Mitch 12/22/2012 09:20AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 252 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:25AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 327 JMac 12/22/2012 07:49AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 332 rocknut 12/22/2012 05:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 312 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 05:09AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 354 Troy 12/22/2012 05:14AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 310 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:19AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 319 Troy 12/22/2012 06:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 318 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:43AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 318 Troy 12/22/2012 07:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 274 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 270 Coco 12/22/2012 07:12AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 277 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:16AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 303 Coco 12/22/2012 07:24AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 302 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 302 Coco 12/22/2012 07:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 286 Troy 12/22/2012 08:18AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 289 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:21AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 265 Troy 12/22/2012 08:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 308 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:36AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 288 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:22AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 300 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:25AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 331 Coco 12/22/2012 08:35AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 294 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:57AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 303 Coco 12/22/2012 10:05PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 250 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:21AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 273 Terry K. 12/23/2012 06:26AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 299 Coco 12/23/2012 07:12AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 294 AndyC 12/22/2012 11:21PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 277 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 269 AndyC 12/22/2012 09:40PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 294 Terry K. 12/23/2012 12:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 255 AndyC 12/23/2012 01:14AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 279 gary191265 12/23/2012 01:14AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 298 Scott Watson 12/22/2012 07:05AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 276 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:11AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 276 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 08:00AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 273 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 282 Troy 12/22/2012 08:13AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 283 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:15AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 316 Troy 12/22/2012 09:37AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 239 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 231 Troy 12/23/2012 06:47AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 282 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:55AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 237 Troy 12/23/2012 07:59AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 221 Troy 12/23/2012 08:09AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 232 stryper 12/23/2012 06:49PM
GUNS and BOATS and LIES 227 Doug Wolfgang 12/23/2012 10:22AM
Re: GUNS and BOATS and LIES 386 Troy 12/23/2012 02:02PM
Re: GUNS and BOATS and LIES 244 stryper 12/23/2012 06:51PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 227 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 204 Scott Watson 12/22/2012 10:10PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 200 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:19AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 293 Surfpunk 12/22/2012 06:08AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 284 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:27AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 275 Troy 12/22/2012 06:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 276 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 07:47AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 253 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:52AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 267 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:53AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 258 Coco 12/22/2012 07:57AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 249 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:46AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 239 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 07:57AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 261 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 195 stryper 12/22/2012 06:07PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 248 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 07:59AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 247 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 08:44AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 263 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:54AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 255 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:13AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 258 Mitch 12/22/2012 09:19AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 268 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 263 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:33AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 255 Doug Wolfgang 12/23/2012 09:46AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 234 Bristler 12/24/2012 05:06AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 198 gary191265 12/24/2012 09:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 217 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:44AM
A different perspective...271 Steve_Roamer 12/22/2012 10:30PM
Re: A different perspective... 275 Snake65 12/22/2012 11:32PM
Re: A different perspective... 250 Terry K. 12/23/2012 12:47AM
Re: A different perspective... 252 Snake65 12/23/2012 04:05AM
Re: A different perspective... 219 Terry K. 12/23/2012 04:54AM
Re: A different perspective... 279 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:28AM
Re: A different perspective... 241 AndyC 12/23/2012 07:03AM
Re: A different perspective... 250 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:15AM
Re: A different perspective... 214 AndyC 12/23/2012 07:35PM
Re: A different perspective... 227 Steve_Roamer 12/23/2012 07:09AM
Re: A different perspective... 249 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:19AM
Re: A different perspective... 230 KAYAKER 12/23/2012 12:06PM
Re: A different perspective... 227 Steve_Roamer 12/24/2012 08:24AM
Re: A different perspective... 203 Troy 12/24/2012 01:43PM
Re: A different perspective... 206 gary191265 12/24/2012 08:13PM
Re: A different perspective... 201 Mitch 12/25/2012 01:11AM
Re: A different perspective... 220 stryper 12/25/2012 03:34AM
Re: A different perspective... 206 Troy 12/25/2012 03:39AM
Re: A different perspective... 245 Coco 12/23/2012 07:32AM
Re: A different perspective... 249 Mitch 12/23/2012 08:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 438 Snake65 12/22/2012 10:44PM
Another School Shooting, Another Psychiatric Drug? 302 Burg 12/23/2012 09:49AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 238 Nunzio Soprano 12/23/2012 09:38PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 236 Snake65 12/23/2012 10:58PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 226 Nunzio Soprano 12/23/2012 11:57PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 203 Snake65 12/24/2012 12:05AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 251 Nunzio Soprano 12/24/2012 12:37AM
They could close the schools ? 306 Chazz 12/24/2012 01:10AM
Re: They could close the schools ? 208 Snake65 12/24/2012 01:54AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 199 Snake65 12/24/2012 01:21AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 257 Terry K. 12/24/2012 08:01AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 223 stryper 12/24/2012 04:54AM
next president of the NRA 219 Ydde 12/23/2012 09:51PM


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