A different perspective...
Posted by: Steve_Roamer ()
Date: December 22, 2012 10:30PM

I have read this thread with interest. Mitch is clearly never going to agree with the idea of banning semi-automatic weapons from the general public but I thought I'd add couple of observations from other countries.

New Zealand (my current domicile) openly sells guns. It freaked me out to see a major gun store next to a toy shop and opposite a pet store and still does to an extent. However, buying a gun is not easy. To get a license you have to have background checks which consider criminal, mental, medical, addiction and domestic violence and interviews are conducted with an applicant's spouse, partner, or next of kin before issuing a gun licence. Ownership for self-defence is strictly prohibited. Guns are allowed for hunting and little else really.

In Denmark (my previous domicile) applicants for a gun owner’s licence have to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection; and pass background checks which consider criminal and mental records.

In the Uk (my birthplace) background checks are also required, as is a genuine reason and third party references. Handguns and semiautomatic weapons are prohibited for common use.

This site was useful to get details on gun regulations: www.gunpolicy.org.

Someone intent enough on getting an illegal weapon will most likely be able to get one, just as someone intent on killing a large number of people with a bomb will. I just don't think making it easy to get one exactly helps matters, and I think that is borne out by the frequency of shootings in schools reported globally: www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html. The US lead the world in this sad statistic.

I'm not a US citizen and don't really understand the deep-seated compulsion on many towards their right to own a gun. I don't feel relaxed around any kind of firearm. However, even accepting this as a right, I still don't understand why anyone outside the armed or justice forces should have access to a firearm capable of firing 30 shots in 30 seconds. If they were not available, perhaps a few more of the children tragically killed at Sandy Hook and all the other schools where shootings had been seen would be alive now.

My thoughts to all those affected in this terrible tragedy.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/22/2012 10:31PM by Steve_Roamer.



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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 551 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 03:51AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 549 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 03:58AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 542 Tony Bainbridge 12/22/2012 03:58AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 504 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 04:01AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 513 Andrew 12/22/2012 08:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 462 Leet2607 12/22/2012 04:05AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 461 Coco 12/22/2012 04:22AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 502 JMac 12/22/2012 04:29AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 458 Coco 12/22/2012 04:35AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 480 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 04:37AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 466 Coco 12/22/2012 04:38AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 469 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 04:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 419 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:18AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 431 Coco 12/22/2012 07:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 454 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:17AM
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Re: Liberals 425 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:17AM
Re: Liberals 340 rocknut 12/23/2012 06:34AM
Re: Liberals 462 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:35AM
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Re: Liberals 403 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:57AM
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Re: Liberals 392 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:20AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 437 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:20AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 413 JMac 12/22/2012 07:41AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 441 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:43AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 360 JMac 12/22/2012 08:02AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 376 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:06AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 324 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 08:36AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 346 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:56AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 413 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:15AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 345 Mitch 12/22/2012 09:20AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 326 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:25AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 420 JMac 12/22/2012 07:49AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 409 rocknut 12/22/2012 05:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 407 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 05:09AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 442 Troy 12/22/2012 05:14AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 383 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:19AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 416 Troy 12/22/2012 06:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 399 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:43AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 404 Troy 12/22/2012 07:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 352 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 335 Coco 12/22/2012 07:12AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 361 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:16AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 393 Coco 12/22/2012 07:24AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 398 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 369 Coco 12/22/2012 07:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 366 Troy 12/22/2012 08:18AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 401 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:21AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 357 Troy 12/22/2012 08:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 393 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:36AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 385 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:22AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 387 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:25AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 438 Coco 12/22/2012 08:35AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 373 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:57AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 405 Coco 12/22/2012 10:05PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 318 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:21AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 381 Coco 12/23/2012 07:12AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 398 AndyC 12/22/2012 11:21PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 383 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 359 AndyC 12/22/2012 09:40PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 393 Terry K. 12/23/2012 12:40AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 311 AndyC 12/23/2012 01:14AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 355 gary191265 12/23/2012 01:14AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 385 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:11AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 326 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:03AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 358 Troy 12/22/2012 08:13AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 349 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:15AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 404 Troy 12/22/2012 09:37AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 317 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:31AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 305 Troy 12/23/2012 06:47AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 365 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:55AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 331 Troy 12/23/2012 07:59AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 299 Troy 12/23/2012 08:09AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 263 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:19AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 381 Mitch 12/22/2012 06:27AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 353 Troy 12/22/2012 06:42AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 355 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 07:47AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 338 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:52AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 354 Mitch 12/22/2012 07:53AM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 326 Walk In The Shadows 12/22/2012 07:57AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 357 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:07AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 264 stryper 12/22/2012 06:07PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 345 RAMSAY 12/22/2012 07:59AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 319 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 08:44AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 351 Mitch 12/22/2012 08:54AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 334 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:13AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 339 Mitch 12/22/2012 09:19AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 333 Doug Wolfgang 12/22/2012 09:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 368 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:33AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 352 Doug Wolfgang 12/23/2012 09:46AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 314 Bristler 12/24/2012 05:06AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 265 gary191265 12/24/2012 09:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 287 Terry K. 12/22/2012 10:44AM
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Re: A different perspective... 354 Terry K. 12/23/2012 12:47AM
Re: A different perspective... 327 Snake65 12/23/2012 04:05AM
Re: A different perspective... 288 Terry K. 12/23/2012 04:54AM
Re: A different perspective... 357 Mitch 12/23/2012 06:28AM
Re: A different perspective... 338 AndyC 12/23/2012 07:03AM
Re: A different perspective... 348 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:15AM
Re: A different perspective... 324 AndyC 12/23/2012 07:35PM
Re: A different perspective... 279 Steve_Roamer 12/23/2012 07:09AM
Re: A different perspective... 357 Mitch 12/23/2012 07:19AM
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Re: A different perspective... 300 Troy 12/24/2012 01:43PM
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Re: A different perspective... 275 Mitch 12/25/2012 01:11AM
Re: A different perspective... 286 stryper 12/25/2012 03:34AM
Re: A different perspective... 279 Troy 12/25/2012 03:39AM
Re: A different perspective... 345 Coco 12/23/2012 07:32AM
Re: A different perspective... 327 Mitch 12/23/2012 08:23AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 527 Snake65 12/22/2012 10:44PM
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Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 305 Snake65 12/23/2012 10:58PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 316 Nunzio Soprano 12/23/2012 11:57PM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 255 Snake65 12/24/2012 12:05AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 334 Nunzio Soprano 12/24/2012 12:37AM
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Re: They could close the schools ? 296 Snake65 12/24/2012 01:54AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 282 Snake65 12/24/2012 01:21AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 340 Terry K. 12/24/2012 08:01AM
Re: O/T The NRA Have A Plan To Stop School Shootings 302 stryper 12/24/2012 04:54AM
next president of the NRA 318 Ydde 12/23/2012 09:51PM


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