'The fact remains....your first two year you, like us went out in the group stages....as said, it's a learning curve.'

Not with only 3 points and not winning a game, an English record well done.

Re a previous post I also think you will find there is some kind of seeding thingy that goes on (based on previous form) that seems to help in the group stage draw. Although I can understand you might not know to much about that :)