Robin - was having the same debate with Donnelly the other night , we saw them on the DEad Letters tour at the Garage back in the day - they were good but we were odd men out in the audience for sure. Never kept up with them for some reason, always meant to get Black Roses that was a Desmond Child co effort, still mean to check it out and the new S/T and go if they impress. But, if you've never seen them certainly go - 1st Day of My Life, In the Shadows etc etc , some great songs.