Thanks Doug , it's always good to hear about things from the artists perspective, I do wonder why the hell people like you struggle making 'our' type of music for little or no reward , when surely it would be far more beneficial to write and play on something more musically acceptable , anyway THANKS for still believing and thanks for the great music over the years...Don't ya know what love is...this could be ..........(I could never hit the high part damn!!!)hope the new Stun Leer is along the lines of the first , the debut is still one of my most played albums (I kid you not)cheers......Kieran