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Posted by: Surfpunk ()
Date: June 24, 2001 09:24AM

Misterpomp

"I don't doubt this is an insoluble argument..."

Well, you're probably quite right there! With regard to the first part of my post, the reason there were so many question marks in that paragraph was because I would genuinely like ansewrs to the questions. I don't work for a label, so I don't have access to the levels of artistic control that exist. It just seems that some bands, like U2 (I hadn't read TH's post that mentioned them before) have been able to change at will from the beginning with what appears to be the full support of their label. Or is that not really the case? Again, I don't know, does anyone?

At the risk of continuing my 'more questions' theme, isn't it the labels responsibility to ensure that their artists product reaches as many people as possible? That is how the fanbase grows, right? My argument about the smaller labels is that by their very nature distribution is bound to be less encompassing than that of a major. If labels can't get bands who sound exactly the way they WANT them to sound, ie their specialist genre, across to the masses, what chance a band/artist who challenges? Think about bands who are pretty much unknown to mainstream rock fans, yet are core elements of the current AOR scene. I agree that it's probably because they are terminally unfashionable that the majors won't touch them, but let's ignore that for a minute!
By returning over and above the investment through sales (in a traditional music biz way) the artist should develop enough kudos with the label to enable them to stretch out more. The labels responsibility to distribute correctly and extensively still remains for this next more 'experimental' album.

In order to generate awareness that the artists are even out there, the sales need to be 'visible'. Therefore, in the UK at least, those sale need to be through a chart return retailer. Any other sales are invisible. To the public those bands don't exist, even if they've sold thousands of records. The question is then do smaller labels not want these bands to become more popular for fear that Warners will come knocking and want to take their baby away?

The FM thing. Taken in the context of 1989, with the music they were making and the weight of Sony behind them, don't you think they should have made it? Irrespective of whether you like the material or not. I suspect that was because the big machine doesn't have the dedicated staff that the smaller one does. Which brings me back to a point I made in a previous post that what is required is an amalgamation of the two. The A&R of N&T combined with the distribution of Warners or T.E.N. (The Entertainment Network, formerly Sony) for example.

Ultimately however I suspect that the problem lies in the combination of the words music and business. One intangible, unpredictable and dependent on an increasingly fickle public, the other demanding specific levels of return irrespective of quality or quantity.

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 156Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 126Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 128Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 103Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 108TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 344 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 105 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 144 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 118 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 116Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 94John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 90 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 129Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 119 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return109Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 105Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 119Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 118 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 112 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 96Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 108 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 110Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle 114 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 104 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 100Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 123Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 86 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 120 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 116Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 115Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 99 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 115 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 105Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 117 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 117 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 107 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 93 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 87 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 114Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 114 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 107Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 102 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 125 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 113John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 104Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 136 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 122Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 95 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 110 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 115Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 112 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 121 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 123John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 129 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 123 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 143Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 138 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 111Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 148 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 124John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 147 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 115 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 117 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 108 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 120 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 116Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 132 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 117 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 126Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 125 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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