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Posted by: Surfpunk ()
Date: June 24, 2001 09:24AM

Misterpomp

"I don't doubt this is an insoluble argument..."

Well, you're probably quite right there! With regard to the first part of my post, the reason there were so many question marks in that paragraph was because I would genuinely like ansewrs to the questions. I don't work for a label, so I don't have access to the levels of artistic control that exist. It just seems that some bands, like U2 (I hadn't read TH's post that mentioned them before) have been able to change at will from the beginning with what appears to be the full support of their label. Or is that not really the case? Again, I don't know, does anyone?

At the risk of continuing my 'more questions' theme, isn't it the labels responsibility to ensure that their artists product reaches as many people as possible? That is how the fanbase grows, right? My argument about the smaller labels is that by their very nature distribution is bound to be less encompassing than that of a major. If labels can't get bands who sound exactly the way they WANT them to sound, ie their specialist genre, across to the masses, what chance a band/artist who challenges? Think about bands who are pretty much unknown to mainstream rock fans, yet are core elements of the current AOR scene. I agree that it's probably because they are terminally unfashionable that the majors won't touch them, but let's ignore that for a minute!
By returning over and above the investment through sales (in a traditional music biz way) the artist should develop enough kudos with the label to enable them to stretch out more. The labels responsibility to distribute correctly and extensively still remains for this next more 'experimental' album.

In order to generate awareness that the artists are even out there, the sales need to be 'visible'. Therefore, in the UK at least, those sale need to be through a chart return retailer. Any other sales are invisible. To the public those bands don't exist, even if they've sold thousands of records. The question is then do smaller labels not want these bands to become more popular for fear that Warners will come knocking and want to take their baby away?

The FM thing. Taken in the context of 1989, with the music they were making and the weight of Sony behind them, don't you think they should have made it? Irrespective of whether you like the material or not. I suspect that was because the big machine doesn't have the dedicated staff that the smaller one does. Which brings me back to a point I made in a previous post that what is required is an amalgamation of the two. The A&R of N&T combined with the distribution of Warners or T.E.N. (The Entertainment Network, formerly Sony) for example.

Ultimately however I suspect that the problem lies in the combination of the words music and business. One intangible, unpredictable and dependent on an increasingly fickle public, the other demanding specific levels of return irrespective of quality or quantity.

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 158Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 130Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 133Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 107Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 115TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 355 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 109 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 150 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 122 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 121Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 96John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 95 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 134Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 124 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return113Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 110Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 121Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 123 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 117 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 98Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 110 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 111Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle 119 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 106 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 106Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 128Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 88 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 125 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 119Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 119Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 103 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 119 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 106Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 121 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 120 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 110 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 96 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 90 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 119Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 118 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 110Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 105 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 130 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 117John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 105Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 141 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 123Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 99 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 116 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 119Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 118 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 125 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 130John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 135 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 129 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 145Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 142 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 114Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 153 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 128John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 151 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 118 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 122 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 109 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 123 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 119Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 135 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 122 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 130Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 129 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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