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Posted by: Surfpunk ()
Date: June 24, 2001 09:24AM

Misterpomp

"I don't doubt this is an insoluble argument..."

Well, you're probably quite right there! With regard to the first part of my post, the reason there were so many question marks in that paragraph was because I would genuinely like ansewrs to the questions. I don't work for a label, so I don't have access to the levels of artistic control that exist. It just seems that some bands, like U2 (I hadn't read TH's post that mentioned them before) have been able to change at will from the beginning with what appears to be the full support of their label. Or is that not really the case? Again, I don't know, does anyone?

At the risk of continuing my 'more questions' theme, isn't it the labels responsibility to ensure that their artists product reaches as many people as possible? That is how the fanbase grows, right? My argument about the smaller labels is that by their very nature distribution is bound to be less encompassing than that of a major. If labels can't get bands who sound exactly the way they WANT them to sound, ie their specialist genre, across to the masses, what chance a band/artist who challenges? Think about bands who are pretty much unknown to mainstream rock fans, yet are core elements of the current AOR scene. I agree that it's probably because they are terminally unfashionable that the majors won't touch them, but let's ignore that for a minute!
By returning over and above the investment through sales (in a traditional music biz way) the artist should develop enough kudos with the label to enable them to stretch out more. The labels responsibility to distribute correctly and extensively still remains for this next more 'experimental' album.

In order to generate awareness that the artists are even out there, the sales need to be 'visible'. Therefore, in the UK at least, those sale need to be through a chart return retailer. Any other sales are invisible. To the public those bands don't exist, even if they've sold thousands of records. The question is then do smaller labels not want these bands to become more popular for fear that Warners will come knocking and want to take their baby away?

The FM thing. Taken in the context of 1989, with the music they were making and the weight of Sony behind them, don't you think they should have made it? Irrespective of whether you like the material or not. I suspect that was because the big machine doesn't have the dedicated staff that the smaller one does. Which brings me back to a point I made in a previous post that what is required is an amalgamation of the two. The A&R of N&T combined with the distribution of Warners or T.E.N. (The Entertainment Network, formerly Sony) for example.

Ultimately however I suspect that the problem lies in the combination of the words music and business. One intangible, unpredictable and dependent on an increasingly fickle public, the other demanding specific levels of return irrespective of quality or quantity.

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 145Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 111Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 116Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 88Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 95TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 177 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 88 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 122 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 106 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 94Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 80John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 81 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 115Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 108 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return102Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 90Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 107Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 106 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 87 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 89Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 97 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 100Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle 101 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 88 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 86Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 102Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 74 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 90 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 102Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 99Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 80 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 95 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 90Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 103 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 108 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 100 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 80 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 71 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 103Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 102 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 87Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 90 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 106 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 93John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 91Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 120 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 111Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 86 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 96 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 104Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 85 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 104 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 100John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 117 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 108 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 137Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 122 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 99Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 130 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 112John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 127 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 107 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 104 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 96 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 111 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 96Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 120 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 107 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 112Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 106 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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