Rebuttle
Posted by: Captain Can Man ()
Date: June 24, 2001 06:43AM

Hi, I know this should be none of my business, but since you guys decided to do this on a public message board...I guess it is my business!

I honestly can't think of any artist that has had a great album everytime.
Boston, Foreigner, Journey, Bon Jovi, Styx, Dream Theater, ect...ect... None of these bands have written a 10 song smask hit everytime they put out new material.

A record company has to take that chance on the artist. It's not like a normal job where someone goes to work in a factory or something and decides to be innovative and try new things. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Art is a tricky job at best and it's ALWAYS hit or miss. Of course the record company wants a hit so they will make the profit and it's totally understandable, but I don't think they should hold the artist responsible if it doesn't sell or if it's not as good as some past material.

I think a better comparison would be sports job because that is another type of art. For instance I live in Atlanta Ga. When the Atlanta Braves got Steve Avery the pitcher, he did real well his first few years and received a much higher paying contract. All of the sudden he lost his touch and he couldn't pitch well anymore. Everyone that came to the plate got a hit, it seemed like.

The Braves got rid of him of course but they still had to pay up his contract. Now I'm sure he didn't try to start pitching badly. It's the chance that the Braves had to take going on what he had done in the past. It's the nature of the job of running a sports team just as it is running a record company. There's always a chance involved. It's not the Braves fault for taking the chance and it's not Steve's fault for losing his touch on the ball. It's just an unfortunate turn of events and the Braves had to eat the money lost on the contract and Steve had to eat his pride and the comments from fans, and the feeling that he'd let everybody down. Can you imagine what that must feel like, to have a spotlight on you and knowing that everybody is expecting greatness and then it just doesn't come. Or what you thought was good while you were doing it turned out to be not so good. It probably feels something like being on national tv, getting your pants pulled down and only having a one inch weiner!

Remember Reo Speedwagon's follow up to "Hi Infidelity"? I'm sure when they were making that record they thought it was great! They had hit so big with "Hi Infidelity" that another big record would have probably made them one of the hugest acts in Rock history. They had stardom in their eyes and there is no way they would have put out "Good Trouble" without thinking that it was their ticket to doing stadiums!

We all know what happens next.....People didn't like "Good Trouble" and it goes down as one of the biggest follow-up flops of all-time. Now the next Reo album "Wheels Are Turning" gets a wonderful response and yields a number one song. All I'm saying is, music is hit or miss and not even guys like Billy Joel or Elton John have had great albums every single time. That is an unrealistic standard in my opinion.

The music business does not work like a bank job. While I totally understand your frustration at the record not being as good as past records by the band, I don't believe for a second that they purposely made a substandard record. I'm sure at the time they were trying to do something original, they thought it sounded good and they went with it. I think the record company has to leave the art up to the artist. If they thought they were good enough to sign to a contract then they decided to take that chance.


To me it really comes down to this.
If there was a conversation that took place where you were told that the record was going to be a continuation of past records then that is different. That would mean you were mislead and I would agree with you. But if there was no conversation like that and you were just expecting one thing and got another, I don't think you can fault the artist for that. Remember, they are artists and doing the same record they've already done has got to be boring. An artist wants to try new things and keep fans interested. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It sucks for both sides when it's a failure. The band is not any happier that the record company.

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 99Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 71Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 92Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 50Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 73TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 73 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 61 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 87 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 75 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 58Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 59John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 54 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 83Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 78 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return 71Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 55Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 82Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 70 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 48 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 64Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 67 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 76Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle74 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 63 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 56Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 66Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 50 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 66 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 75Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 67Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 56 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 71 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 62Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 68 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 74 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 70 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 55 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 50 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 73Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 72 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 58Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 66 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 70 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 59John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 52Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 78 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 83Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 57 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 68 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 74Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 56 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 62 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 68John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 81 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 80 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 105Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 89 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 67Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 83 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 76John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 102 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 82 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 76 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 59 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 74 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 72Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 88 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 66 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 87Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 81 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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