Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post
Posted by: Surfpunk ()
Date: June 24, 2001 04:56AM

I have two points to make. The first is Artistic Control.
We've all heard this referred to in the past. This or that artist has 'complete artistic control' over the music and the labels job is to market the finished product. So to what extent is this true? Just how many artists find themselves in this position? Irrespective, isn't this condusive to creativity? By stating what a label wants/expects from a band isn't that doing exactly what Tony Harnell said and aiding the stagnation of the scene? A lot of musicians want to be able to stretch themselves AND THEIR AUDIENCE in the same way that, say, The Beatles did. Time may have moved on, but it has had more impact on the way music is marketed than the creative process.Isn't the job of the labels to nurture the creative process and assist their artists in INCREASING the fanbase, rather than just waiting until they die and stop buying records...er...CD's? Perhaps creativity is required equally in the marketing departments of the labels in relation to the music, sorry, PRODUCT, if indeed they have marketing departments.

The other point is this. Small labels used to serve the purpose of identifying talent and getting bands up and running before the major labels took them under their wing and actually made them grow. Sure, there is a lot to be said for being a 'big fish in a small pond' but it seems to me that the current AOR/MHR scene, or whatever tag you want to give it today, is in danger of being strangled by the very people who have kept the scene going through a very lean period. Small labels are VITAL to young new bands. They give them time to learn and time to make mistakes before their careers really take off. But there's no way bands should be recording 5 or 6 albums for a label who, and let's be completely honest here, simply cannot provide the elements that the bands need to make it into the big time. So what's the alternative? Nobody wants to see bands being signed for tax losses like they were at the end of the 80's again, even thought it still happens all the time. I don't particularly want to see a great band like FM flounder under the eyes of Sony, and end up with huge debts again. For those scenarios not to occur this scene needs new blood, both in the bands and in the labels. The danger being that once a passion becomes your job, the passion DOES wane. The advantage now is this, the net. Loads of bands now have 'Street teams or E teams'. Fans who, given the tools from the label, can target other bulletin boards etc and do the marketing for them. Who better? Fans doing the labels work for free, because they feel an affinity for a particular band.

And that's my answer, right? Put it in the hands of the fans? Not entirely, of course not, but it's an avenue that perhaps should be investigated. After all, what is this site, if not a site run by a fan with a passion? There are numerous contributors to this board who have proved themselves extremely knowledgable on many fronts. Some have also displayed a broader sense of just where this scene exists in the greater scheme of things. Those are the people who may be able to inspire others into the scene and then, hopefully, it may filter down into a younger audience.

All that said, I believe there are bands already signed to majors that hold appeal for both older and younger fans of melodic music. The only thing holding them back is the very conservatism that Tony Harnell spoke of in his first post.

Adapt or die!

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 81Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 65Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 85Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 45Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 62TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 66 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 55 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 76 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 72 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 53Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 55John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 51 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post78Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 64 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return 66Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 50Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 77Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 63 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 45 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 58Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 65 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 69Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle 67 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 54 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 49Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 62Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 47 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 59 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 65Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 62Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 50 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 65 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 55Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 60 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 70 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 64 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 53 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 45 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 63Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 66 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 55Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 62 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 58 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 50John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 52Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 74 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 71Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 51 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 60 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 64Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 51 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 58 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 64John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 75 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 68 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 90Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 79 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 63Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 70 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 67John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 91 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 70 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 62 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 56 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 62 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 62Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 73 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 63 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 82Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 75 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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