A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post
Posted by: Mark Ashton ()
Date: June 24, 2001 02:18AM

Hi everyone,
I`ve been keeping a keen eye on the recent discussions about the scene and Z ROCK Part 2 etc. Unfortunately, I`ve been even busier than normal this past week and simply not had time to get involved, but a few of you have got it bang on about the problems with putting on a Z ROCK or a Gods type event. The costs are crazy, too many people want to get in for free and people in the UK especially seem to be more interested in dancing to "Forever Young" for the 8 millionth time than seeing Vaughn perform not only that song but some new material as well.
One thing I really felt I had to comment on though was one fo the posts made by Tony Harnell below. I`m not wanting to start a big argument or anything but a couple of things in one particular post got me going -

"I mean when we got signed by JVC/Victor in 96 to do a new "reunion album" they gave us a very respectable amount of money to do a classic TNT album. We did not. They were pretty upset when they heard the result that's for sure. And though Firefly was not a great album, I think it was an interesting album that took chances."

Now I know that most of you are blinded by the fact that Tony is a great singer therefore can do no wrong, but to me this is well out of order. JVC gave TNT a lot of money to make a particular type of album and by their own admission the band did not deliver on that agreement. Of course the label will be pissed and so they should be. When someone is contracted to do a job then they should make sure that they do what is asked of them or not take the job in the first place.
Then to admit that the album they did give to the label was substandard makes it even worse.
If I employed a company to build me a conservatory like one I`d had in the past bu with the superior materials of today and they told me it would be very expensive but I still agreed to it, the least I would expect would be the conservatory that I had ordered. I wouldn`t expect a badly made tin shed in the back garden and no refund.
Before anyone comes up with the `art` defense, if bands want to be `artistes` then they should do it with their own money and not someone elses. TNT should have made the album that they wanted to make and then shopped it around rather than ripping off a label, which is what I feel that they did.
To say that the album `took chances` isn`t exactly true either. So, Ronnie detuned his guitar and Tony sang a lot deeper than usual - you mean exactly like everyone else was doing at the time? It`s no better to jump on a bandwagon than to try to recreate something from the past. "Firefly" wasn`t any new musical experience for the listener. It was simply a not particularly good collection of songs performed quite well and with a fairly average sound.
Vagabond was way more original and artistic and had better songs. If TNT wanted to experiment then fine, but they shouldn`t do it on someone else`s dime, especially when that someone else has asked for a specific product.

Also, if it`s the labels fault for signing all these old names from the past, I`d like to know how much WESTWORLD wanted as an advance and if they neglected to mention the collective pasts of the musicians involved when shopping around. You can`t blame Z for putting Ex TNT, DANGER DANGER etc in the ads as they have to sell product. If the band are so confident of their own abilities then they should take a nominal advance and let the product do the talking. This appplies to all the bands out there, but in reality anyone with a `past` uses it to get more money.
Surely, every form of business does this. Don`t people use their CV to get better jobs with better pay? There`s no difference.

OK, I`m coming from the labels point of view here, but I felt that someone had to as whenever an `artist` posts the public seems to take their words as being gospel and that there couldn`t be any other possible way of looking at things.

To those people I suggest you go into work next week and do what you want to with your companies money and see how long you remain employed with the argument that you felt the company needed to progress and take some chances, even though the resutls of your work are, and I quote, "not great". I`m sure your boss will pat you on the head for trying and give you even more money the week after. NOT!


I get sick of people coming on these boards and looking down their noses at anything that isn`t new and original. There are many people that go to 60`s nights at clubs all over England and the rest of the world I`m sure. They go because they love that era of music. There are even bands now writing and playing new material in that style. So what? If people like it then let them like it. You either like a piece of music or you don`t. If someone likes the 80`s sound but still wants to buy CD`s of new material in that style, then let them. It doesn`t make you a better person if you have `moved on`. It just means that your taste has changed.

I`ve gone on way too long. I`ve got a Gods to sort out with a load of bands playing rehashed old riffs to a room full of people that will be having a great time, just like the people at the 60`s nights will have a great time.

Shame that some people can`t see that that is what it`s all about.

Bye for now,
Mark

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A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post94Mark Ashton06/24/2001 02:18AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 67Tony M06/24/2001 03:25AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 90Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:50AM
To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 49Kieran06/24/2001 04:09AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 71TC06/24/2001 04:22AM
Re: To Mark Ashton and Tony Harnell 71 Danny Danzi 06/24/2001 04:21PM
Re:Stick around to what you know you do best !! 59 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/25/2001 09:05AM
AN IDEA.... 84 Tavas 06/25/2001 02:28AM
good point... 73 sfk kurt 06/25/2001 06:51AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 57Tony Harnell06/24/2001 03:40AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 58John Q06/24/2001 05:16AM
Good post! 54 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 04:41AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 80Surfpunk06/24/2001 04:56AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 72 Misterpomp 06/24/2001 05:40AM
Return 70Surfpunk06/24/2001 09:24AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 51Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:26PM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 81Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:56PM
the bottom line 68 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 05:48AM
Re: the bottom line 47 Mike Matney 06/24/2001 06:59AM
Re: the bottom line 64Mark Ashton06/24/2001 07:59PM
Hey Mark 65 sfk kurt 06/24/2001 10:51PM
Re: the bottom line 75Tony Harnell06/24/2001 11:59PM
Rebuttle 71 Captain Can Man 06/24/2001 06:43AM
Are you the only 'rocker' left in Atlanta... 60 koogles 06/24/2001 11:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 53Tony Harnell06/24/2001 12:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 62Mark Ashton06/24/2001 08:09PM
Re: Rebuttle 48 Carl1 06/24/2001 08:26PM
Ditto.. (np) 64 Andrew 06/24/2001 08:34PM
Re: Rebuttle 72Tony Harnell06/25/2001 12:06AM
Re: Rebuttle 64Peter M. Bietenholz06/24/2001 11:57PM
Re: Rebuttle 55 Captain Can Man 06/25/2001 04:31AM
Thank You Tony! 66 Ten_K_Lovers_N1 06/26/2001 05:31AM
Re: A couple of points re:Tony Harnell`s post 59Gav06/24/2001 10:29PM
young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 65 Tavas 06/25/2001 03:03AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 73 Danny Danzi 06/25/2001 07:28AM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY YES!! 67 Brian 06/25/2001 01:41PM
indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 54 Tavas 06/25/2001 05:14PM
Re: indeed THIS IS THE TIME !!!! 47 Mike Matney 06/25/2001 09:08PM
Hey Danny! 68Surfpunk06/26/2001 03:54AM
Re: Hey Danny! 70 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 08:21AM
Re: Hey Danny 57Tony Harnell06/26/2001 02:29PM
2 cents worth.... 63 Captain Can Man 06/26/2001 03:33PM
Re: Hey Danny 68 Danny Danzi 06/26/2001 05:16PM
Hey now! 57John Q06/26/2001 08:07PM
Re: Hey now! 52Tony Harnell06/27/2001 02:20AM
Re: Hey now! 77 Fran 06/27/2001 02:49AM
For the record... 77Surfpunk06/27/2001 06:12AM
Question for Tony & Danni........... 54 Mrpool 06/27/2001 08:13AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 65 SegaNinja 06/27/2001 09:31AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 72Tony Harnell06/27/2001 10:21AM
Re: Slightly Off topic 55 ted poley 07/01/2001 01:43PM
Re: Question for Tony & Danni........... 61 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:28PM
Re: Hey now! 66John Q06/27/2001 12:44PM
Re: Hey now! 81 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:52PM
Don't Dream It's Over..... 76 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 01:23PM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 104Tony Harnell06/28/2001 12:47AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 86 Captain Can Man 06/28/2001 04:51AM
Re: Don't Dream It's Over..... 66Tony Harnell06/28/2001 10:42AM
Re: Hey now! 77 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 07:08AM
Dear MLover... 71John Q06/27/2001 11:15AM
Re: Dear John... 100 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:48PM
Re: Hey now! 82 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 11:57AM
Danny! 70 Captain Can Man 06/27/2001 12:49PM
Re: Danny! 58 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 01:00PM
Re: Hey Danny 71 Peter M. Bietenholz 06/27/2001 07:35AM
Peter, 70Surfpunk06/27/2001 08:19AM
Re: Peter, I agree !! . 85 Melodic Lover ( Spain ) 06/27/2001 10:23AM
Re: Hey Danny 66 Danny Danzi 06/27/2001 12:13PM
Re: Hey Danny/Well said (np) 86Darkman06/27/2001 07:03PM
Re: young people ?? ==> AIRPLAY 80 Brian 06/25/2001 01:39PM


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