What a peculiar argument?
Posted by: Misterpomp ()
Date: May 23, 2001 03:15AM

The problem, Jack, is that you can only just see the enormous mote in Skagarak's eye for the one you've got.

You accuse him of wanting a reissue press and that that's his judge of a label's merit. So? That's the whole premise of his thread. You then tear that whole thread to pieces because your slant is to new releases. So what have we ended up with, one poster who wants reissues and one who wants new stuff. Wow, we never knew there was two sides to that argument. Thankyou Jack for leading us to the path of knowledge. You then say the reissue route does not advance "the scene". Well, nor does formulaic and repetitive rehash of some golden age of the 80s which never existed. The AOR world, yes even that sparsely inhabited domain, will not IMeversofuckinHO be a more worthy or interesting place for Giant, Hardline or Stan Bush product. You obviously feel it will - enjoy! I've now been sitting here for 3 or 4 years as people opine that it's coming round again / could just be big if only Journey get back together / whatever... I'll doubtless be here in another 4 or 40 seeing the same .. it's not going to happen - enjoy the "scene" for what it is and what it does for you. I don't have any vested interest in seeing the AOR scene dead and there is still some genuinely good music coming out in what I'd term "affiliated" genres that have some commonality with AOR. You however seem only to be disagreeing about what era should be resurrected. A new Giant CD will by and large sound like an old Giant CD (well actually it won't - it'll sound mostly like demos and live stuff thrown together by some rather sensible musicians who quite rightly don't believe there's much market for it outside an extremely small niche but who are prepared to test the market / humour the very keen and persistent people who tell them there is). Ditto Hardline, Harem Scarem and even Heaven forfend another dreadful Stan Bush album.

Most of your argument is rant and opinion dressed up as fact. For example;

> Most of these reissues sound dated as hell, demoish, and were never even
> successful to begin with.

Well, "dated" as a statement of the recording technology, approaches to songwriting and influences - yes but you mean dated in a pejorative "didn't have that Neil Kernon production" way and I'm sorry that's simply your opinion - not a fact. Demoish. No, sorry, while the technology for the 1970s releases may now appear a bit antiquated, the budgets were not. You take a major label budget (any major label budget) from '79 and give it to one of the AOR bands now. Don't even allow for inflation. They wouldn't even know what to do with the money. They might even get some air fares and meet up while doing their album. As for never successful. We've been through this before but, for example, MPG's debut sold approx 50,000. Do you want to put up most of today's AOR bands' sales against that? Doesn't matter how you cut it or argue it away with waffle about changing times, that's still a hell of a lot more people who let that album into their homes than most of today's CDs can hope for. And that MPG album is how "important" in the context of its time. Not very.

We all have an opinion here and though I'm happy to admit I sit more in Skagarak's camp than yours, some of what you say is valid. If you, unlike me, do believe there is a renaissance around the corner, you'd better hope it's not all reissues, but for the record Zoom Club is a significantly better label (IMHO) than MTM could hope to be.

Problem is Jack that in trying to tear the arguments to pieces you forgot to look at whether your counter-arguments were any more convincing. They weren't.

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Your.Mine.our opinions on labels! 179Skagarak05/22/2001 08:54AM
Jorn was on Frontiers/N & T (np) 110Phil 105/22/2001 10:54AM
Re: Your a Moron! 103 JOE 05/22/2001 12:41PM
Re: Your a Moron! 116Phil 205/22/2001 01:07PM
Re: Your a ...agree with JOE/SUPPORT AOR! 126 KAOS FAN 05/22/2001 01:25PM
Re: Your a ...agree with JOE/SUPPORT AOR! 138 Marc Vanway 05/22/2001 04:34PM
Re: Your a ...agree with JOE/SUPPORT AOR! 125Mafia boy05/23/2001 10:43AM
Re: Your a ...agree with JOE/SUPPORT AOR! 111MAFIA MAN05/23/2001 04:24PM
Re: Your a ...agree with JOE/SUPPORT AOR! 108Mafia boy05/23/2001 08:57PM
Re: Your a ...MARC! 105 KAOS FAN 05/23/2001 05:53PM
Re: Your a ...MARC! 107 Marc Vanway 05/23/2001 07:28PM
Re: Your a Joe-ron! 134Skagarak05/24/2001 03:17AM
Give me a break! 120Jack05/22/2001 03:46PM
Re-issues as a catalyst for comeback 111 koogles 05/22/2001 10:03PM
Re: Re-issues as a catalyst for comeback 114Mafia boy05/23/2001 10:46AM
What a peculiar argument?140 Misterpomp 05/23/2001 03:15AM
Re: What a peculiar argument? 108 Eric Abrahamsen 05/23/2001 07:24AM
Very well said (np) 110 The Other Joe 05/23/2001 09:38AM
Re: What a peculiar argument? 117Skagarak05/25/2001 08:30PM
Re: Give me a break! 150Phil 105/23/2001 09:33AM
Re: Give me a break! 135Skagarak05/24/2001 03:34AM
Re: Your.Mine.our opinions on labels! 139Steve05/23/2001 08:54PM
insted of Reissues, why not unrealised? 114 Marc Vanway 05/23/2001 09:23PM
Re: insted of Reissues, why not unrealised? 117Skagarak05/24/2001 03:35AM
Re: insted of Reissues, why not unrealised? 119 AOR Guru 05/25/2001 12:31PM

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