If you had asked me a year ago, heck even 6 months ago I would have said that I hated them. But I have had a chance to listen to them a little more and they have grown on me. I have friends who absolutely love them. Musically they are not even close to AOR, but they have a lot of influences in their music, and they have created their own style and I have to respect them for that. The same could be said for Limp Bizkit. But then again, I am one of the few on this board that liked a lot of "grunge" bands. I refuse to hate any type of music, I will give everything a chance.