Apologies if this has been posted before, just clocked it: [url=http://www.aintitcool.com/node/60942]Journey - Don't Stop Believin'[/url]http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930284#msg-930284Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:48:01 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930569#msg-930569 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930569#msg-930569 Ydde NoticeboardSat, 16 Feb 2013 01:12:16 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930462#msg-930462 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930462#msg-930462 rocknut NoticeboardFri, 15 Feb 2013 08:24:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930438#msg-930438 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930438#msg-930438 Captain Can Man NoticeboardFri, 15 Feb 2013 05:49:36 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930422#msg-930422 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930422#msg-930422]]> Walk In The Shadows NoticeboardFri, 15 Feb 2013 02:22:59 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930401#msg-930401 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930401#msg-930401
I rate Perry as high as anyone but I agree with rocknut - like many of these classic bands the collective is much greater than the sum of the parts .]]> the ORIGINAL brent NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 22:37:04 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930398#msg-930398 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930398#msg-930398" People have no idea what it's like to live here unless they have lived here..."

]]> rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 21:52:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930393#msg-930393 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930393#msg-930393 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 20:51:08 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930392#msg-930392 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930392#msg-930392
It's such a warm and fuzzy feeling when people half way around the world that do not live here make judgments about us.

People have no idea what it's like to live here unless they have lived here.


Along the same lines, I guess I will say that British people are depressed all the time because of the rain, Irish people are drunk all the time and Africans run around naked spreading diseases.

Now doesn't that sound ridiculous?]]> Captain Can Man NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 20:41:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930388#msg-930388 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930388#msg-930388 iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 20:14:26 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930387#msg-930387 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930387#msg-930387 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 20:07:36 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930386#msg-930386 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930386#msg-930386I know that the Schon/Cain clan gambled and won with Arnel. Even though I highly respect Arnel for what he did and that it is perhaps the biggest modern day cinderella story, I'm really afraid of the Hollywood cheesyness included in the documentary (highly likely scenario).
For sure I will watch it and really hope it is not an Oprah thing again.]]> iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 20:03:28 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930385#msg-930385 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930385#msg-930385 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:56:56 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930384#msg-930384 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930384#msg-930384 Captain Can Man NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:51:40 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930380#msg-930380 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930380#msg-930380 iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:44:05 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930379#msg-930379 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930379#msg-930379 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:42:19 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930378#msg-930378 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930378#msg-930378 iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:38:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930377#msg-930377 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930377#msg-930377
Hard rock music has totally crossed into the mainstream. It wasn't anyone's fault. Rock bands had been writing ballads before it became popular, and lucrative, to do so.]]> rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:32:40 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930376#msg-930376 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930376#msg-930376
What grinds my gears is that whenever Journey are mentioned you get the Perry 'Jihadist' movement gatecrashing the party.

How good was Steve Perry on his own? Well....what were the sales figures for 'Street Talk' and 'FTLOSM'? Why is it the generally accepted wisdom that when Perry took 'control' of the band the standard dropped off?


Journey were a band and should be seen as such.]]> rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:30:49 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930375#msg-930375 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930375#msg-930375 iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:27:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930373#msg-930373 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930373#msg-930373
Once Cain joined, they really turned into (often but not alwyas quality) bubblegum rock. I cannot think of a better example of a band that had such a high amount of unused high musicianship than Journey. They had a wonderful singer (listen to his line of "We Are The World" to hear how brilliant he could be. Not always served by the best or right material though), a superb guitar player and amazing drummer... and they ended up known for syrupy stuff like "Faithfully" or "Open Arms"....

I am not a die-hard fan. I believe that there are a lot of fillers in their catalogue, and that the really brilliant songs are few and far between. What actually saved a lot of the songs was the brilliance of Perry, Schon and Smith. They managed to bring some soul into often very bland pieces of music.

I am fully aware that Cain was the one who actually brought the commercial success to the band. However, to me, he actually sucked the soul of the band dry.

Why didn't they have hits after Perry left? Because they did not manage to find a singer who could bring soul to their music, and also a drummer who "jazzified" their sound. Once Perry left, they became more of "AOR by numbers" band. Still good songs, still very good musicianship, possibly a rockier edge, but much less soul. And I think the masses in the 70's responded to the "blackness" Perry, Schon and Smith were giving the music.]]> Laurent NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:22:30 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930372#msg-930372 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930372#msg-930372Let's say I just left one more opinion here about Journey (a rarity I know).]]> iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:21:50 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930371#msg-930371 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930371#msg-930371 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:16:08 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930369#msg-930369 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930369#msg-930369It is a genre where the frontman will set you apart from the bunch and he is the biggest part of the equation most of the times.
If you discuss with progsters and retro rockers purists though, they will tell you that Journey were shite after 77 and especially after Rollie.
That's all I mentioned. Personally, I'm enjoying music according to the genre played.]]> iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 19:11:26 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930366#msg-930366 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930366#msg-930366
Perry, Schon and Cain became a songwriting machine for a while. It was certainly a combination. However, if Neal had stayed in charge of the musical direction of the band, they would have continued to be a "going off at the instruments" boring, nobody but some other musicians give a darn band. When Steve Perry came in, he explained to Neal that they needed to build an AUDIENCE in order to make a great living. Herbie Herbert brought Steve in to straighten out the band and that is what Steve did.

Cain was the final piece of the magical puzzle and he also was commercially driven. Neal wrote some great commercial riffs but it seems like they had to drag him force feed him into doing it at least until he started seeing how much more successful melodic, commercial material helped his bank account! LOL After that, I think he finally figured out that 5 minute long guitar solo's is not what the masses want to hear!]]> Captain Can Man NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 18:53:04 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930364#msg-930364 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930364#msg-930364Bad English had a number 1 hit, an accomplishment Journey didn't have until the modern day success of DSB.
This the commercial part of it, as for the artistic part, there are people e.g. supporting the opinion that Journey played quality stuff only in the first 3 records and then they turned into bubblegum rock. There are many extreme opinions, it is easy to find.

Especially Neal Schon is not a musician to be left out so easily and the other members have achieved things, not to mention that Cain was a huge part of the commercial success.

Perry for me is the greatest voice in rock history, he brought interesting ideas in the rock world like injecting Sam Cooke into rock and the rest is history that no one is denying of course.]]> iraklis NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 18:38:04 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930363#msg-930363 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930363#msg-930363 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 17:53:21 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930354#msg-930354 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930354#msg-930354 Captain Can Man NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 13:53:16 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930328#msg-930328 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930328#msg-930328 Ken NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 09:27:12 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930298#msg-930298 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930298#msg-930298 rocknut NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 03:27:34 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930294#msg-930294 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,930284,930294#msg-930294 killy bush NoticeboardThu, 14 Feb 2013 03:20:36 +1100