I read Aces book and just started Peters. I was wondering how many people feel as I do being a major KISS fan. I would at this stage in there lives lose the makeup again. Thoughts?http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927431#msg-927431Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:53:31 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,928056#msg-928056 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,928056#msg-928056 Cosmic_Drama NoticeboardThu, 24 Jan 2013 13:13:59 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,928055#msg-928055 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,928055#msg-928055 Cosmic_Drama NoticeboardThu, 24 Jan 2013 13:05:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927701#msg-927701 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927701#msg-927701 Dan NoticeboardTue, 22 Jan 2013 02:43:58 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927685#msg-927685 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927685#msg-927685 Snake65 NoticeboardTue, 22 Jan 2013 00:24:05 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927672#msg-927672 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927672#msg-927672 Scott Watson NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 23:21:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927663#msg-927663 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927663#msg-927663 Addyeddy NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 22:00:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927594#msg-927594 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927594#msg-927594 Snake65 NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 10:12:29 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927592#msg-927592 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927592#msg-927592 Surfpunk NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 10:06:52 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927562#msg-927562 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927562#msg-927562 pantherbyte NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 05:48:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927561#msg-927561 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927561#msg-927561 Terry K. NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 05:41:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927551#msg-927551 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927551#msg-927551 Snake65 NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 04:04:42 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927538#msg-927538 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927538#msg-927538 Scott Watson NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 02:51:52 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927536#msg-927536 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927536#msg-927536 desmobile NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 02:44:55 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927533#msg-927533 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927533#msg-927533 Snake65 NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 02:02:53 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927531#msg-927531 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927531#msg-927531
I'm big fans of Ace and Peter, but there comes a point in ones life where you have to decide to grow up or not. They picked not and got what they deserved.]]> Scott Watson NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 01:59:43 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927530#msg-927530 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927530#msg-927530 Scott Watson NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 01:54:44 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927529#msg-927529 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927529#msg-927529 Scott Watson NoticeboardMon, 21 Jan 2013 01:51:47 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927512#msg-927512 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927512#msg-927512 Ydde NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 23:50:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927495#msg-927495 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927495#msg-927495 PowerAV NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 20:18:21 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927491#msg-927491 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927491#msg-927491 pure666metal NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 19:54:28 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927487#msg-927487 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927487#msg-927487
I understand Gene and Paul must have been hell to work with, but it was Gene and Paul with the vision, and they were the ones that kept it going when Ace and Peter were too drunk and high to even know what planet they were on. If I was in the most successful band in the planet at the time, and two of my band mates were fucking it all up....I'd be getting on their ass too! He came clean on his drinking and drugs, but he never seemed to understand why the others didn't trust him.

He admitted that he was known as "The Complainer" of the band, and boy did it ever come through in the book. After he quit the band originally he still got 25% of everything they made for years after that. Then flash forward to 1996, he was getting paid $40,000 per show on the reunion tour. $40,000 for two hours work. Instead of being happy and saving all this new money (he was pretty well broke again by 1996), all he did was bitch that he wasn't getting what the others were getting. When Ace came clean he was getting $50,000 per show he lost it.

I'm sorry, but if I fucked up my life and quit my job....I'd be thankful that they were still paying me millions. On top of that if my old employers forgave me and wanted to give me $40,000 for two hours of work every night???? I'd be bloody grateful! I could care less if Gene and Paul were getting 10X that. But, all he does is bitch about Gene and Paul through the entire book. He was always the victim. Gene and Paul are without a doubt two pricks, but he needed to look in the mirror to see the source of his problems.]]> Kauna NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 18:27:42 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927486#msg-927486 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927486#msg-927486 Kauna NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 18:07:14 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927472#msg-927472 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927472#msg-927472
Lick it up, animalize, asylum, Crazy nights - these were all hits without makeup.

Taking off the makeup was exactly the right thing to do in 1983, leaving behind the legacy of four consequtive ill-received records. People loved them for it. It was fresh, and fans soaked up their take on 80s glam metal. By the 90s, when that fell out of favor and confusion beset a lot of rock bands (in general) it was exactly right to go back to the makeup.

Kiss have made many mistakes along the way but, like good entrepreneurs, they generally knew when to change their style and knew how to respond to the ever-changing marketplace.]]> Purple NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 11:45:11 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927464#msg-927464 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927464#msg-927464Without the make up and costumes was a complete disaster.
Even Gene admitted that he looked like Phylis Diller is drag in the 1980's after they took off the paint.]]> pure666metal NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 10:01:28 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927459#msg-927459 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927459#msg-927459They've done the unmasking, moving with the times musically, looking for acceptance as musicians by changing their look and sound, etc.
Now they know their role, and their place in history, and they are happy with it, as it's this that brings in the money.
There's no market for half their products without the make up being involved, so I don't see it coming off again untill maybe a very final show when Gene and Paul eventually retire...
Plus they have to realise that they are wrinkly old men now, and the make-up hides that too!
Niv]]> nivjourney NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 09:37:56 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927448#msg-927448 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927448#msg-927448 pantherbyte NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 08:03:14 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927447#msg-927447 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927447#msg-927447
The band has been on fire the past two albums - I suspect they won't change a thing.]]> Purple NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 07:59:22 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927440#msg-927440 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927440#msg-927440 Snake65 NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 07:17:26 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927439#msg-927439 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927439#msg-927439
But what would be the point? Unless they want to bring Bruce Kulick back into the KISS family and do some sort of KISStory Tour (hey, that's a good idea!) where the celebrate the entire catalog.

I didn't see KISS on this last tour, but it drives me nuts seeing them play "Lick It Up" or "Heaven's On Fire" while wearing makeup.]]> Ken NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 07:10:03 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927437#msg-927437 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,927431,927437#msg-927437 Snake65 NoticeboardSun, 20 Jan 2013 06:59:57 +1100