I do not want to start a huge thing hear and I know its been a few years, but I dont recall ever getting a clear reason for Steve Augeri release from the band. I mean I know he was having singing issues, but sounds like those issues were not a chronic thing that could not go away, so in all honestly why wouldnt the band just take some time off and let him heal rather than push him and have the shit transpire as it did? .....I mean this guy came in and helped the band continue when perry left ... again i know this is old news but i guess i never remember reading anything concrete. Most likely journey never did fully discuss is and i have seen nothing from augeri discuss is. My guess is he was or is being paid well to not say anything... this has nothing for to do with new singer, i was just curious.. Davidhttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922013#msg-922013Thu, 23 May 2013 17:05:00 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922364#msg-922364 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922364#msg-922364-------------------------------------------------------
> Not so much greed as necessity. The old Herbie
> Herbert interview indicated where they missed
> opportunities in the early 80's to set themselves
> up for a more stable financial future. Add in
> Schon's divorces, and you've got commitments that
> have to be met. In this sense, Steve Perry played
> the game much better than the rest of them did.


I think Neil is more ego...also, despite everything, I'm sure he loves to play. He's still part owner in that huge lighting/sound company w/ Herbie. He's loaded, divorces notwithstanding.]]> Pelata NoticeboardTue, 11 Dec 2012 00:45:37 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922321#msg-922321 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922321#msg-922321 Ross S. NoticeboardMon, 10 Dec 2012 12:31:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922203#msg-922203 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922203#msg-922203 Snake65 NoticeboardMon, 10 Dec 2012 00:25:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922185#msg-922185 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922185#msg-922185
Add Faith In The Heartland to it, and it's all I need from Augeri's time in the band...

And re the OP...simple economics (greed) in not waiting for Augeri to recover.]]> MCFCTrick NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 22:25:24 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922164#msg-922164 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922164#msg-922164 plumber NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 13:21:57 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922160#msg-922160 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922160#msg-922160 Terry K. NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 10:46:45 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922159#msg-922159 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922159#msg-922159-------------------------------------------------------
> Kevin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Terry K. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Yup--Arrival was a cool listen. But it most
> DEF
> > > needed a better tracking order and perhaps an
> > > omission or two,three. T
> >
> >
> > my version, for what it's worth....
> >
> > Higher Place
> > Remember Me
> > Signs of Life
> > Loved By You
> > All The Things
> > Livin to Do
> > World Gone Wild
> > Live and Breathe
> > To Be Alive Again (the long version, not the
> cut
> > US version)
> > We Will Meet Again
> >
> > cut out the ballad overload, and you end up with
> a
> > very decent disc.
> > Kevin
>
> add in walking away from the edge from red 13 and
> it's perfect...

Love the song, but think it's a better fit for the darker Generations than the more upbeat Arrival. Walking away... and Beyond the Clouds balance each other out and make a powerful set of ballads for that album.
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 10:45:44 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922158#msg-922158 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922158#msg-922158 Terry K. NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 10:45:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922156#msg-922156 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922156#msg-922156-------------------------------------------------------
> Terry K. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yup--Arrival was a cool listen. But it most DEF
> > needed a better tracking order and perhaps an
> > omission or two,three. T
>
>
> my version, for what it's worth....
>
> Higher Place
> Remember Me
> Signs of Life
> Loved By You
> All The Things
> Livin to Do
> World Gone Wild
> Live and Breathe
> To Be Alive Again (the long version, not the cut
> US version)
> We Will Meet Again
>
> cut out the ballad overload, and you end up with a
> very decent disc.
> Kevin

add in walking away from the edge from red 13 and it's perfect...]]> MariaCC NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 10:37:20 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922140#msg-922140 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922140#msg-922140-------------------------------------------------------
> Yup--Arrival was a cool listen. But it most DEF
> needed a better tracking order and perhaps an
> omission or two,three. T


my version, for what it's worth....

Higher Place
Remember Me
Signs of Life
Loved By You
All The Things
Livin to Do
World Gone Wild
Live and Breathe
To Be Alive Again (the long version, not the cut US version)
We Will Meet Again

cut out the ballad overload, and you end up with a very decent disc.
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 07:01:58 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922137#msg-922137 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922137#msg-922137 Snake65 NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 06:26:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922110#msg-922110 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922110#msg-922110 Terry K. NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 02:34:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922104#msg-922104 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922104#msg-922104 Snake65 NoticeboardSun, 09 Dec 2012 00:40:39 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922043#msg-922043 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922043#msg-922043
In related news Steve Augeri will be part of the huge ROCK MEETS CLASSIC tour here in February / March with Paul Rodgers, Eric Bazilian, Chris Thompson and Bonnie Tyler playing in the biggest arenas here... so I feel happy for the man. ( if I recall right Journey had to cancel Berlin about three years back for poor ticket sales...!)]]> Shade NoticeboardSat, 08 Dec 2012 09:46:40 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922036#msg-922036 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922036#msg-922036-------------------------------------------------------
>
> But the "WHY" that pertains to not waiting for
> Augeri to heal before continuing remains a
> mystery...to me, at least. Aside from not
> interrupting the income stream, which will never
> be the official reason.

BUt ultimately that IS the real reason. INcome stream interrupted, we will replace you. Even given Perry's ego at the time the band continued on without him, he couldn't sing anywhere near as many nights as they needed to tour.]]> Walk In The Shadows NoticeboardSat, 08 Dec 2012 09:19:20 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922024#msg-922024 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922024#msg-922024
Now, IMO, they should have finished the tour w/ JSS, thanked him for his assistance, and taken another year off to let Augeri heal up. Then they could have done the shared vocal thing they're doing now w/ Arnel/Deen/Cain. But no...they jump from Augeri to JSS to Arnel in the matter of, what, a year?

I've heard speculation as to WHY they decided to release JSS, but I'm not repeating it. It doesn't really matter now anyway.

But the "WHY" that pertains to not waiting for Augeri to heal before continuing remains a mystery...to me, at least. Aside from not interrupting the income stream, which will never be the official reason.]]> Pelata NoticeboardSat, 08 Dec 2012 08:03:01 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922017#msg-922017 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922017#msg-922017 Walk In The Shadows NoticeboardSat, 08 Dec 2012 07:06:34 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922013#msg-922013 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,922013,922013#msg-922013
again i know this is old news but i guess i never remember reading anything concrete. Most likely journey never did fully discuss is and i have seen nothing from augeri discuss is. My guess is he was or is being paid well to not say anything...

this has nothing for to do with new singer, i was just curious..
David]]> deflep7 NoticeboardSat, 08 Dec 2012 06:46:39 +1100