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<description>As I've mentioned before on here, I came to the rock fold in the early 90's as Seattle was at the forefront of rock music and the 80's bands were being systematically culled. Since then all I've heard was that Grunge was necessary to get rid of all the hair bands that had got too decadent, watered down and generally posturing posers out of touch with reality.

Last week a mate of mine was saying exactly that and since then I've been wondering: Is that really true or just a line peddled by grunge followers and the mainstream media? After all - history is usually written by the victors. The reason I ask is because through this site and various magazines I've heard of a lot of bands from the 80's that were wiped out by grunge and were really top notch musicians and songwriters. So did the rock world really need grunge to shift the balance of power in favour of something different? I just thought I'd ask the faithful on these pages as I'm genuinely curious. Notice I'm being tactful and desperately trying not to say the 'old guys' on this board :-))

I can see how the genertaional shift meant that young kids needed a musical genre that spoke to them as Thatcher and Regan's boom and bust economics had left the world in a pretty sorry state and maybe 80's rock typified that. If you're a poor kid growing up you aren't going to relate to mega rock acts selling shed loads and living the high life. That's not so much what I'm wondering - I just want to know was the rock music of the 80's as bad as some detractors claim it had become, or is that just what people who didn't like that kind of sound have written as gospel and in hindsight isn't actually true? Cheers.</description><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878813#msg-878813</link><lastBuildDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 07:12:09 +1000</lastBuildDate>
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<dc:creator>rocknut</dc:creator>
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<title>Butch's Book</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879255#msg-879255</link><description><![CDATA[ What's the title of it? Would love to read it.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Kauna</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: in a word, yes</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879231#msg-879231</link><description><![CDATA[ Taking the effin' target off my head now,Steve, Thanks, T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879230#msg-879230</link><description><![CDATA[ ...but really--thanks so VERY much for keeping score,guys. Everyone here needs a nanny,after all. I'll try so vERY hard to be better about an irrelevant topic like rock radio from here on in. Jeez. T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: in a word, yes</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879209#msg-879209</link><description><![CDATA[ Captain Literal strikes again.]]></description>
<dc:creator>rocknut</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879208#msg-879208</link><description><![CDATA[ Terry, do you ever make any sense? You constantly contradict yourself and then back pedal like crazy.]]></description>
<dc:creator>rocknut</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879207#msg-879207</link><description><![CDATA[ Only when it suits you, Terry.]]></description>
<dc:creator>rocknut</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879064#msg-879064</link><description><![CDATA[ Isn't this apples and oranges,dude? T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879049#msg-879049</link><description><![CDATA[ Terry,<br /><br />Remember how you told me to let it go abount Foreigner? Is this ever going to happen with you about the old days and bands being on the radio?<br /><br />Andy]]></description>
<dc:creator>Vantheman</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: in a word, yes</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879045#msg-879045</link><description><![CDATA[ A 'right' time for rap? God save us! T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879044#msg-879044</link><description><![CDATA[ Yup. And I'm talking about the 'music'. care to compare those to Cobain? I don't. T<br /><br />pS: I'm no huge Crue fan,either...]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>in a word, yes</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879033#msg-879033</link><description><![CDATA[ Simple...musical tastes are cyclical. Nothing stays in vogue forever, otherwise this site might as well be doowop.com or crooner.com.<br /><br />Grunge just came along at the right time, same way rap, hair metal, new wave and whatever else happened before or after it.]]></description>
<dc:creator>TedSheckler</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879031#msg-879031</link><description><![CDATA[ Terry K. Wrote:<br />-------------------------------------------------------<br />&gt; pure garbage by a no talent drug addict. And the<br />&gt; industry lauds them as 'heroes' of a generation.<br /><br />Um... ever heard of Motley Crue? Ozzy? The whole Moscow Music Fest Charade? AerOsmith? Ever seen the Decline of Western Civ II? Robbin Crosby? Fucking Jani Lane?]]></description>
<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879020#msg-879020</link><description><![CDATA[ By the time i thought the &quot;rootsier&quot; bands will take over. In the likes of Brother Cane, Cry of love or Sister Whiskey. Hell, i was wrong :-)]]></description>
<dc:creator>HoodryWoodry</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,879007#msg-879007</link><description><![CDATA[ I could say the same about you,Joe. I like maybe a couple songs by those bands. Except Nirvana--pure garbage by a no talent drug addict. And the industry lauds them as 'heroes' of a generation. BullSh*t! Riiight--just like The Sex Pistols,Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Ramones,etc etc are conquering heroes. It's all media blitz nonsense. T<br /><br />PS: I will say tho-- I DO like the newest STP cd quite alot. Mainly because it's SO much more musical/melodic than anything they've ever done. almost sounds like a dif band! Likely why some of their fanbase doesn't like it--too quality for them.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878983#msg-878983</link><description><![CDATA[ GNR ruled and owned the rock world in the late 80s early 90s. They had the reins, and lost it all. Appetite will forever be a classic album, which could have been followed up by another great album combining the best of Illusions 1 &amp; 2. It is ashame they couldn't keep the ball rolling. That would have been a proper rock scene adjustment, instead it went to dark with the Grunge thing.<br /><br />I really liked Sweet F.A., would have liked to see what they may have done if the scene hadn't dried up. I know there are many on here that didn't care for them, but I really enjoyed them]]></description>
<dc:creator>kaneudeck</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878981#msg-878981</link><description><![CDATA[ Right place right time. But thats what has happend through the ages of music on the whole isn't it? We may not on the whole like it but it happend doen't really get in the way of what we all like in our hearts does it!]]></description>
<dc:creator>stryper</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878978#msg-878978</link><description><![CDATA[ If you don't hear melody in STP, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, you should have your ears checked.]]></description>
<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Butch Walker certainly seems to think so</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878968#msg-878968</link><description><![CDATA[ Disagree 1,000,000 %]]></description>
<dc:creator>Rebelson</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878962#msg-878962</link><description><![CDATA[ Wasn't sure on that one Steve. But the Treat S/T is in the same musical vain to my ears.]]></description>
<dc:creator>stryper</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878959#msg-878959</link><description><![CDATA[ Alice in Chains?? Pearl Jam??? I think i just threw up a little :-)]]></description>
<dc:creator>Scott Watson</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878957#msg-878957</link><description><![CDATA[ No i think rocknut is correct, it start getting out of hand about 1987. To many second rate bands getting way to much promotion.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Scott Watson</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878954#msg-878954</link><description><![CDATA[ RAB had it in a nutshell. All successful musical genres have a finite lifespan. Hair metal would have come to the end of its 15 minutes of fame one way or another. MTV helped it become huge, and MTV was always going to be looking for something new. The young 'uns of the early 90s weren't interested in the lifestyle of the Poisons of the world - grunge was a more accurate reflection of where they were at. Then, as usual, the suits took over and did it to death. And lo and behold grunge's 15 minutes was soon up too. And, exactly as in the hair metal genre, there were some really good bands, and loads of mini-mes that rode their coat tails, for good or bad.<br /><br />Another good point from the earlier post - GNR. Surely Appetite was just as much responsible for destroying Sunset Strip as grunge was?<br /><br />And I'm focussing on hair metal (or glam metal or, my personal fave, cock rock, or whatever the heck you want to call it) cause that was the scene that really did set the world on fire - did I dream it, or were the three biggest bands in the world at one stage in my youth really Jovi, Leppard and Snake? Incredible.]]></description>
<dc:creator>2littleangels</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878951#msg-878951</link><description><![CDATA[ Despite all the plusses and minuses of what Grunge did or didn't acheive.....for me apart from being miserable and depressing, it was the singers I could never take to....they all sounded the feckin same give or take.<br /><br />And that horrendous vocal style continues today in many bands like Stickleback etc...]]></description>
<dc:creator>MCFCTrick</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Butch Walker certainly seems to think so</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878948#msg-878948</link><description><![CDATA[ Butch Walker...severely over-rated!!]]></description>
<dc:creator>Nunzio Soprano</dc:creator>
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<title>Mustaine</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878946#msg-878946</link><description><![CDATA[ Be interested to hear what you think of Mustaine's book, I was disappointed but I'll go into it if and when you decide to critique.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Benno</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878944#msg-878944</link><description><![CDATA[ I'm guessing they would have been trashed by their record labels. &quot;This crap ain't selling anymore,guys!!&quot; Go make a grunge-style record.! Hence all the melrock acts changing spots to try &amp; fit in. It failed on every level,and fans said WTF! Never bought in to ANY of those grunge style acts. No melody = no interest for me. T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: Was Grunge really necessary?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878943#msg-878943</link><description><![CDATA[ The band that always comes to mind that lost out BIG time when grunge took over was Company Of Wolves. Debut was '91,I think. Just in time to be passed over by the melrock world. That debut is STILL a personal fav of mine. Touches all the right chords for me--striaight-up solid melodic hard rock! Great cd! T]]></description>
<dc:creator>Terry K.</dc:creator>
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<title>Re: For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878940#msg-878940</link><description><![CDATA[ I always thought that some of the more established bands could have helped save the scene if they had stuck to their guns a bit more.Obviously smaller bands were dropped quickly as they weren't cool any more and in the record companies eyes no longer money makers,but if the bigger bands had not tried to &quot;go grunge&quot; and fail then maybe they could have proved there was still a market for more melodic fare.Van Halen,Aerosmith and Bon Jovi all carried on and kept their audience with only a slight change in content while Kiss,Motley,Leppard,Warrant,Danger Danger etc. changed dramatically and lost a large chuck of their fans.One of the great what ifs is whether some Hysteria or Dr. Feelgood style follow ups in the mid 90s would have stopped classic/melodic rock being practically wiped out.Maybe loads of fans stopped buying these type albums because there weren't any to buy which is certainly true in my case.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Julian H</dc:creator>
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<title>For What?</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,878813,878939#msg-878939</link><description><![CDATA[ To put an end to the over-done hair metal scene? Yes.<br /><br />To take rock music to the next level? No. It was, in every way, a regression.]]></description>
<dc:creator>Joe-×</dc:creator>
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