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<description> Hi all,

I just picked this one up a few days ago and I am loving it. Especially the more melodic tracks laced with big harmonies. I cannot believe how much the singer's voice and the harmonies remind me of the '80s band called the Northern Pikes (anyone remember them?) All in all, the band sort of reminds me of what the Pikes would sound like if they updated their '80s pop sound (ie. added some punkish influences a la Blink 182/Green Day). I am truly digging this album. Fave track is, without a doubt, &amp;quot;What a Mess.&amp;quot; Cool stuff. IMO, this rates waaaay above the Marvelous 3, Eve 6, and a number of other newbies. That's not a criticism of those other bands/albums, it's just an indication of how much I like SR-71. 
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<title>RE: Koogles, in response to some of your comments.</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8980#msg-8980</link><description><![CDATA[ koogles wrote:<br />-------------------------------<br />&gt;You can turn on MTV and watch SR-71 or Sum 41 or whatever.. but are you<br />&gt;going to see House of Shakira rocking out between videos by Ten and Two<br />&gt;Fires?? Hell,<br /><br />WHEN THE HELL was the last time MTV was relevant with ANYTHING musically? They dont even play full videos in TRL anymore so this dream of MTV playing melodic rock is far fetched. Think of all the aliented grunge heads...and just think how many rappers will be pissed when MTV moves on from them.<br /><br />I have never seen SR-71 on MTV or VH1. Discovered them thanks to Dave Reynolds.<br /><br />These days, MTV has almost NO influence on popular music anymore. Just look at the charts (short of boy bands or rap) and everything else is virtually unplayed on that channel.<br /><br />I personally think mainstream rock music is in the best shape it's been in a LONG time. It's great to hear Bon Jovi, Evan And Jaron, Marv 3, Matchbox 20, etc. on the radio as compared to all the hip hop shit. Hell, I've even heard the new Journey on the radio!<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>sfk kurt</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: One last thought...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8929#msg-8929</link><description><![CDATA[ Since you have been willing to pick up the odd &quot;new breed&quot; release (I believe you mentioned Zebrahead &amp; Marvelous 3), I would recommend that you do take a chance on SR-71. As to whether or not you'll like it, there are certainly no guarantees. But maybe, just maybe, you'll see the point I was trying so hard to drive at from the first post on - that to THESE ears, this band has more in common with the &quot;old breed&quot; than most of the other new bands. The vocals are sung in a higher register, the harmonies are bigger and tighter, and the whole thing just somehow seems closer to the '80s stuff we all know and love than most of the rest of the new breed. At this point, I'd actually be interested in knowing what you think of it. I mean, I'm not expecting a &quot;Hey Don, you were right, these guys are a deadringer for Survivor&quot;-type post or anything like that. I'm not suggesting that this band is more '80s than modern. But IMO they're more '80s than the rest of the new breed. Let me know. 'Sbeen a slice.<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Let me get this straight...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8925#msg-8925</link><description><![CDATA[ Hey I love Rick Springfield... &quot;Working Class Dog&quot; is a classic! I don't mean to drag this out (obviously, we will agree to disagree) but the whole thread of my argumentation was to simply suggest (not enforce) a few parameters. I am sorry if this got into a flame war. I'm not some AOR nazi here or anything... I'll take Queensryche over the Third Reich anyday!!!<br /><br />koogles]]></description>
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<title>RE: Hi Hot Stuff!! ...It's me, Luke Warm</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8924#msg-8924</link><description><![CDATA[ Hey Don. I think we do share a lot of the same feelings but writing these defensive/offensive posts has afforded me (and perhaps you too!) less time to listen to and surf around for the music I like, so I suppose that's the true tragedy here. I will agree to disagree. If the tone of my posts was anything other than that of a zealous debater then I apologize. I am not the board nazi that you might think I am. I was just trying to get a few points across. Like I said, I do own some of these &quot;new breed&quot; cds, even though I believe the Zebrahead purchase had something a lot to do with the scantily clad model on the cover pushing a lawnmower. Oh well.<br /><br />koogles ]]></description>
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<title>RE: Hi Hot Stuff!! ...It's me, Luke Warm</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8912#msg-8912</link><description><![CDATA[ &quot;We'll see how many melodicrock.com year-end best-of lists SR-71 makes it on and how many year-end best-of lists bands like Kharma, Danger Danger and Journey make it on and then judge which bands deserve attention on this communal board.&quot;<br /><br />...Well, they ain't gonna make it onto nearly as many lists if we're not &quot;allowed&quot; to discuss 'em here! That's for dang sure!!!<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Let me get this straight...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8911#msg-8911</link><description><![CDATA[ &quot;What I'm advocating is a CONCENTRATION on certain bands that don't get a lot of attention elsewhere. You can turn on MTV and watch SR-71 or Sum 41 or whatever.. but are you going to see House of Shakira rocking out between videos by Ten and Two Fires?? Hell, no! That's why I say leave the Top 40 to the outlets that specialize in that stuff&quot;<br /><br />...So the bands that we are &quot;allowed&quot; to discuss on here are the ones that aren't popular enough to be making today's Top 40 (but the Top 40 of 1970-1993 is okay)? They have to be the bands that MTV won't play? God help us if Journey has a hit single that gets heavy MTV rotation!! (Maybe it's a good thing that &quot;Remember Me&quot; didn't become a smash, LOL) Or what if Motley Crue's next album has a sound and/or spawns a single that mixes some of their new influences in with some of their old punk influences? It could wind up sounding suspiciously like Marvelous 3. In your other response to my other post you seem to suggest that we should focus on those artists that Andrew advocates and discusses on the various different segments of this website. Do you think that Andrew only wishes for us to discuss those artists whom he deems &quot;pure&quot; or worthwhile? And what if, God forbid, Andrew one day makes mention of an artist which doesn't pass your &quot;purity test?&quot; Like Rubber, for example, who, despite their past life as Harem Scarem, sound every bit as far removed from your vision of pure AOR as SR-71 do (further actually). Are you going to take issue with Andrew then? What's your reaction gonna be when you discover that Rick Springfield's name rears it's head on a regular basis around these parts? Or when you discover that Andrew is a big R.S. fan (along with a large number of other board posters)? Will it be okay with you to see news, reviews, and posts about him, despite the fact that his music always leaned much closer to pop than &quot;pure&quot; AOR (a la Foreigner, Survivor, Journey, etc.)?<br /><br /><br />&quot;and let's zero in and keep this site a pure authority on melodic rock&quot;<br /><br />...So I ask again, are you volunteering for the job of being the &quot;Pure Police?&quot; Do you think that most this board's visitors want that? Do you think it bothers most of the board's other posters that bands which may, perhaps, fall outside the mould are, at times mentioned and/or discussed? To be honest, I cannot ever recall seeing anyone else complain about such posts. And that's the truth. On the other hand, it's not at all uncommon for a number of posters to join in on a thread about a band that isn't &quot;pure AOR/MHR.&quot; Look at it this way: &quot;Non-pure&quot; artists' names have been rearing their heads on this board since its inception. Are we all to stop mentioning them so as not to disturb you? Is that what you want? Koogster, I'm not suggesting that we begin to hold regular discussions on the musical merits of Mel Tillis and Barry Manilow. But as someone who's been here a while, I'm just wondering whether or not I (we?) can expect to see you get your nads in a knot every time something that you don't consider to be &quot;pure enough&quot; gets mentioned (like in the thread about Christmas music). Can we?<br />A somewhat curious,<br />Don<br /><br />P.S. - Koogles, it has become evident to me that this discussion between us is beginning to look somewhat like a flame war. This is due largely to the fact that it is impossible to know what someone's &quot;tone of voice&quot; was when reading his/her words. Although I have found the whole thing to be rather interesting, amusing, and enjoyable, I believe I'm gonna let it lie. In my three years here, I have gone out of my way to avoid conflict and flame wars. Rather, have posted repeatedly that I feel that taste in music is very much like taste in food. It's a very personal thing, and nobody should ever feel shame, embarrassment, or that they have to apologize for his/her taste in music. (Can you imagine feeling that way about liking hamburgers, or pizza, or seafood? &quot;I'm so embarrassed. I hope that my friends don't find out that I really like roast beef.&quot; IMO, music is the same, even if it means that you dig Yanni, or have all of Andy Gibb's albums, or that you're a card-carrying member of the Village People's fan club.)<br /><br />In closing, let me say that I admire and respect your enthusiasm for and dedication to &quot;pure AOR/MHR&quot; artists, and your desire to be a part of a forum where such artists are discussed. And I still don't feel that we are miles apart in our views, because I too am dedicated to those bands and I also derive tremendous enjoyment out of coming here and discussing them. (I also think you must have concrete cahonies to try, as a relative newcomer to a site, to dictate what everyone should or shouldn't be discussing!) I just hope that you're not gonna become too disturbed WHEN (not &quot;if&quot;) you see &quot;non-pure&quot; artists' names rear their heads...'cuz they most assuredly will. Over and out...<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Koogles, in response to some of your comments.</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8909#msg-8909</link><description><![CDATA[ I have one of the most diverse CD collections imaginable... you would not believe the diversity!! (In one portion alone of the P section of my CD wall I have- alphabetically- Jim Peterik and World Stage followed by Oscar Peterson followed by The Pet Shop Boys!!) I am anything but close-minded. What I'm advocating is a CONCENTRATION on certain bands that don't get a lot of attention elsewhere. You can turn on MTV and watch SR-71 or Sum 41 or whatever.. but are you going to see House of Shakira rocking out between videos by Ten and Two Fires?? Hell, no! That's why I say leave the Top 40 to the outlets that specialize in that stuff and let's zero in and keep this site a pure authority on melodic rock (and let's not play semantic games here- you know as well as I do what is construed by the term &quot;melodic rock&quot;. It's the '70s and '80s styled AOR and metal-influenced hard-edged rock. End of discussion!!)<br /><br />koogles keepin it real]]></description>
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<title>RE: Hi Hot Stuff!! ...It's me, Luke Warm</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8908#msg-8908</link><description><![CDATA[ We'll see how many melodicrock.com year-end best-of lists SR-71 makes it on and how many year-end best-of lists bands like Kharma, Danger Danger and Journey make it on and then judge which bands deserve attention on this communal board. I am still wondering when the newsdesk will serve up a steady diet of info on these modern rock bands. And, oh yeah, when the new Blink 182 CD will be listed under &quot;feature reviews&quot; section. I do have CDs by Zebrahead and Marvelous 3 in my collection and don't mind them- however, I don't feel their place on an AOR/metal site is justifiable. Just like I wouldn't go on about my John Coltrane and Miles Davis CDs (good as they are) on this site. Ever heard the expression: there's a time and a place?<br /><br />koogles kool as a kukumber<br />]]></description>
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<title>RE: Hi Hot Stuff!! ...It's me, Luke Warm</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8904#msg-8904</link><description><![CDATA[ &quot;Sure- let's allow every form of rock into this message board. Open the flood gates of punk, ska, rap-metal, modern, death metal,<br />black metal, doom, thrash, garage, industrial, alternative, gothic, glam, progressive, pomp, AOR, country-rock, MOR, classic and-<br />ah, what the hell- throw a little Frank Zappa in for good measure. Would you enjoy sifting through all those posts?&quot;<br /><br />...Well, I don't know how long you've been coming here, but many of those genres have been brought up in the time that I've been here.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;Not unlike sifting through all the mediocrity at the record store just to get to what you like, huh?&quot;<br /><br />...Actually, personally speaking, any time I set foot in a music store, I'm like an kid in a candy shop. I love &quot;sifting through&quot; the variety of stuff.<br /><br /><br />&quot;You guys who are flying and waving the<br />same flag for bands like Eve 6 and Matchbox 20 etc. are the reason groups like Danger Danger lost their major label deals, can't<br />be found in North American record stores without a special order form and all but disappeared from MTV. You guys are totally<br />hedging your bets- as if to say &quot;we like those old bands, but we hide behind the modern rock of today because it's 2000 not<br />1988.&quot; My thought is this: maybe you never really liked those old bands in the first place for their musical merits. Maybe you only<br />liked them because you were following a trend.&quot;<br /><br />...I'm having a hard time deciding whether this comment is more full of pomposity or B.S. It's so ridiculous that it's laughable. You sound as though you're the only person in existance who has put any energy or resources into waving the flag of &quot;old school&quot; MHR. Is that how you feel? Well, let me let you in on a little secret...<br />You're not alone. You never have been. There are more people than you realize who have never given up on, turned their backs on, or lost interest in &quot;your&quot; kind of music. Most of the posters who visit this board fall under that category. I don't hide behind modern rock. I listen to it right alongside my King Kobra, Icon, Danger Danger, Savannah, and Hugo CDs (at a ratio of about 1:5 in favor of &quot;your&quot; stuff).<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;I stuck with AOR through thick and thin. Back in 1994, when it was grunge down<br />one street and up the other, I was buying Shotgun Symphony albums.&quot;<br /><br />...Once again, you're not alone. Be assured of that. Because some of us buy and dig Collective Soul doesn't mean that we're passing up on the latest Von Groove or Two Fires album. Back in the heyday of &quot;our&quot; music, didn't you ever add anything to your collection that didn't qualify as AOR/MHR?! I do not believe that you can possibly be that one-dimensional, so I'm assuming you did. When did it stop being alright to do so? And how far removed from &quot;your&quot; music do you think that &quot;the new breed&quot; is?<br /><br /><br /><br />As far as commercial radio fodder is concerned, I am<br />aware that tag was attached to many of the bands like Journey, Bon Jovi, Night Ranger etc. and presumably used by thrash or<br />punk fans who felt alienated by what was on the radio over a decade ago. I liked 99% of what was on rock radio in the 1980's<br /><br />...So &quot;commercial radio fodder&quot; is okay, as long as it has that '80s sound?<br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;Now I use the term<br />&quot;commercial radio tripe&quot; to describe the SR-71, Eve 6, Blink 182 and other alpha-numerically named, Green Day clones because I<br />am one of those people who feels alienated from rock radio just like Joe Slayer Fan did back in 1988.&quot;<br /><br />...Do they really sound all that different to you? You can't hear any similarities? If it has balls, catchy melodies, cool harmonies, big choruses, and a fun vibe (like SR-71), why would you feel alienated?!<br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;that's why I am on this board- to celebrate the past, present and future of melodic hard rock/metal.&quot;<br /><br />...Join the club. You're not alone. (Where have I heard that before? LOL)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;So what do I do? I find a<br />cool message board on melodicrock.com- seemingly a safe refuge from the three-chord power punk that is saturating my radio<br />and TV dial- and what happens? I get people trying to sell me on the same bands that I came here to escape.&quot;<br /><br />...You sound as if you feel that I was trying to talk you, personally, into buying this album. Well, for the record, you can be assured that I wasn't. My initial post (the one that started this whole thing) was basically just meant to be a celebration of the fact that in SR-71 I heard &quot;balls, catchy melodies, cool harmonies, big choruses, and a fun vibe.&quot; That's all. You really give the impression that since you've discovered this board, you'd like us to okay the bands we post about with you. Sorry to disappoint you, but I for one don't think it's gonna happen, my friend.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;Journeying into real music...&quot;<br /><br />...Do you know what came to my mind when I read that? &quot;There's that pompous attitude again.&quot; I don't know what you wanted to sound like, but to me you came across as being the judge whose job it is to decide whether or not artists have merit. That's a scary thought, dontcha think?<br /><br />Anyways, when all is said and done, I still think that we're more similar than we are different in both our tastes and our attitudes. But I also think that you have over-reacted to the fact that on this board we sometimes discuss bands that aren't quite as &quot;pure&quot; in terms of their placement in the whole AOR/MHR spectrum as you'd personally like. I'm sorry if that's the case, but it's not like those posts are taking over the board. And if they bug you, well, in my mind they'd be really easy to ignore. No?<br />Cheers,<br />Don<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>Koogles, in response to some of your comments...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8902#msg-8902</link><description><![CDATA[ &quot;Bill Haley and the Comets rocked too. Around the clock no less. Was melodic. Hmmm... do I detect a flaw in logic here? :) &quot;<br /><br /><br />...This is precisely my point, Koogles!!! The labeling system we use is flawed. Think about it! &quot;Melodic hard rock&quot; is such a huge descriptor that d@mn near anything could fit into it. If there's any melody, and it's rock music that's got any edge at all, then it is, undoubtedly, melodic hard rock to someone out there. The AOR label is even more vague. A while back there was an entire thread on this board based on what it stood for. We had several answers (some of which were rather amusing, btw!!!) and opinions. So who wants the job of policing this board and jumping on anyone who posts about artists who don't fit those descriptions? Do you? And who has the right to take that position? Do you? And do the rest of us want someone to do so? Should we ask 'em? What do you think the answer would be?<br /><br />I do understand your point. I have been addicted to this site for around three years now. It is wonderful to be able to come to a place where the overwhelming majority of the visitors not only remember, but revel in the glory days of &quot;our&quot; music (whether we wanna call it AOR, melodic hard rock, metal, or whatever...). And I have learned SOOOOOO much since coming here, it boggles my mind. The quality and size of my CD collection has increased astronomically (and btw, I laughed out loud when you made the comment about people like me being responsible for the demise of MHR in the early '90s. You obviously have no idea how much money I have invested in supporting &quot;your&quot; kinds of artists. And, yes, I am continuing to do so. Do not think for one minute that I am not supporting labels like N &amp; T, MTM, Z, Kivel, etc. The very idea is ludicrous.). I understand that you love to come here to read about cool music that interests you. This site is a goldmine, and since discovering it I have made some wonderful friends for whom I have tremendous respect and admiration. I love to read what people have to say about bands that I've heard or haven't heard. Peoples' comments have often caused me to give albums I own another listen with perhaps a more open ear/mind than I had previously given them. And again, I have learned soooo much that I probably owe Andrew and the gang my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ...79th born sons!!! But I also believe that it is imperative not to limit ourselves to simply discussing bands that sound like Journey, Van Halen, Iron Maiden, etc. I simply believe that there's more to melodic hard rock than that, and I believe that many of the other visitors to this board to as well.<br /><br />As for your comment about singers who sing in the upper register, well, to be honest, I found that one quite interesting. See, I, too, have always loved that aspect of &quot;our&quot; music. There are a few exceptions, mind you (like, for example, Mike Matevichiijuistiytik...., LOL.... well, you know, the guy from Steelheart). But for the most part, I too always loved that element of AOR/MHR/metal. And I miss it. But I don't for one moment think that all singers of &quot;our&quot; music necessarily fit into that category. There were many whose voices didn't soar like Steve Perry's or Tony Mills' or Rob Halford's. Furthermore (and somewhat ironically), I think that the whole &quot;upper register&quot; thing was part of the reason why I loved the SR-71 album so much. Mitch Allen's voice sounds to me a lot like a hybrid of the singers from Northern Pikes, Killer Dwarfs, and The Outfield. I would definitely consider it to be in the upper register for a lot of their songs. Interestingly, though, this is not the case with their smash hit, &quot;Right Now.&quot; If you've heard that song and are lumping these guys in with Blink 182 and Green Day based on having heard it alone, you REALLY owe it to yourself to check out the rest of the album. I'd say that that one song is kind of an exception on the album. Most of the rest of the album has a much more melodic vibe to it and sounds a lot less like punk than that track. Really. I mean, I'm not saying that you'd like the album. It's very possible that you wouldn't, given that you don't strike me as being the most open-minded person I've encountered (again, no offense intended). But then again, if you gave it a fair shake, you just might find yourself digging it. You might actually hear the melody, the upper register vocals, and the harmonies that I'm hearing when I play it. I guess it's your $15 risk to consider. Either way, take care and rock on.<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: koogles and I are dellusional.</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8888#msg-8888</link><description><![CDATA[ For the record, &quot;my music&quot; includes Queen, Rush, Kansas, Styx, Boston, Steely Dan, Van Halen, etc (The environment in the music industry that existed in the 70s that allowed these bands to blossom is long dead. I could hope for its return but I would be delussion to expect it.)<br /><br />We just gotta live with the fact that there is very little diversity in major label acts today. As far as modern/alternative rock goes, most bands are complete sh*t. Fortunately for us there are some &quot;modern&quot; rock bands which are more classic than modern. Bands like Collective Soul, Goo Goo Dolls, SR-71, Tsar, etc would have made it big both in the 70s and 80s.<br /><br />I can not speak for everyone else but the bands we are mentioning here are the exception and not the rule in the modern/alternative genre. These &quot;diamond in the ruff&quot; bands deserve our support (or at least our attention), in spite of the crowd they get lumped into.<br /><br />You are right to recognize that these modern bands do not play the 1998 version of melodic rock. But you are wrong to think that &quot;we&quot; all come here to relive 1988.<br /><br />BD<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Copious K9</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: SR-71 - One more comment on their sound...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8881#msg-8881</link><description><![CDATA[<br />FWIW. In my opinion, M3 and Tsar sit head and shoulders above the likes of Eve6, Neve and SR-71, who whilst being reasonable are second-string.<br /><br />Having bought these last 3 at the same time, and listening to them played randomly at work, it's hard to pick out which band is which as none have the immediate personality of M3 and Tsar.<br /><br />Again this is purely personal but I'd hate to think of someone picking up 'Now You See Inside' rather than 'Hey!'<br /><br />Matt]]></description>
<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: koogles, you are dellusional.</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8878#msg-8878</link><description><![CDATA[ Really? I guess I'm going to have some words with the good people at the stationery store who I've been buying my calendars from. Point is: the music I like owes a lot to the sound of 1988. It's true- Ten DOES sound a lot like vintage Whitesnake. But if you think about it, YOUR music owes a lot to the past as well. Bands like The Ramones and The Clash. Most modern rock bands are doing what the Ramones did over twenty years ago only now with better production, better haircuts and marketing tools like videos, the internet, Napster, etc. Everything comes from somewhere. I think it's a mistake to assume bands like SR-71 and Mest and Neve are onto something new and revolutionary.<br /><br />koogles with old kalendars for sale<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>koogles</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Koogles, Have you not noticed...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8876#msg-8876</link><description><![CDATA[ Bill Haley and the Comets rocked too. Around the clock no less. Was melodic. Hmmm... do I detect a flaw in logic here? :)<br /><br />koogles ]]></description>
<dc:creator>koogles</dc:creator>
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<title>A few words for the lukewarm</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8874#msg-8874</link><description><![CDATA[ Sure- let's allow every form of rock into this message board. Open the flood gates of punk, ska, rap-metal, modern, death metal, black metal, doom, thrash, garage, industrial, alternative, gothic, glam, progressive, pomp, AOR, country-rock, MOR, classic and- ah, what the hell- throw a little Frank Zappa in for good measure. Would you enjoy sifting through all those posts? Not unlike sifting through all the mediocrity at the record store just to get to what you like, huh? You guys who are flying and waving the same flag for bands like Eve 6 and Matchbox 20 etc. are the reason groups like Danger Danger lost their major label deals, can't be found in North American record stores without a special order form and all but disappeared from MTV. You guys are totally hedging your bets- as if to say &quot;we like those old bands, but we hide behind the modern rock of today because it's 2000 not 1988.&quot; My thought is this: maybe you never really liked those old bands in the first place for their musical merits. Maybe you only liked them because you were following a trend. I stuck with AOR through thick and thin. Back in 1994, when it was grunge down one street and up the other, I was buying Shotgun Symphony albums. As far as commercial radio fodder is concerned, I am aware that tag was attached to many of the bands like Journey, Bon Jovi, Night Ranger etc. and presumably used by thrash or punk fans who felt alienated by what was on the radio over a decade ago. I liked 99% of what was on rock radio in the 1980's and that's why I am on this board- to celebrate the past, present and future of melodic hard rock/metal. Now I use the term &quot;commercial radio tripe&quot; to describe the SR-71, Eve 6, Blink 182 and other alpha-numerically named, Green Day clones because I am one of those people who feels alienated from rock radio just like Joe Slayer Fan did back in 1988. So what do I do? I find a cool message board on melodicrock.com- seemingly a safe refuge from the three-chord power punk that is saturating my radio and TV dial- and what happens? I get people trying to sell me on the same bands that I came here to escape. Speaking of &quot;Escape&quot;, I think that would sound pretty good right about now...<br /><br />Journeying into real music,<br />koogles]]></description>
<dc:creator>koogles</dc:creator>
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<title>Treble Charger</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8873#msg-8873</link><description><![CDATA[ Rob and Don,<br /><br />Great cd. I always forget to mention this one. Their previous cds are not nearly as good as this one, by the way. Don, you should like these guys.<br /><br />Tom]]></description>
<dc:creator>Tom Krupa</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: SR-71 - One more comment on their sound...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8872#msg-8872</link><description><![CDATA[ Don,<br /><br />I liked the Tsar as well as the SR-71. Both were very good.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I found Neve the worst of the lot :( But hey, you may love it ;)<br /><br />BD<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Copious K9</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Hi Rob!!</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8836#msg-8836</link><description><![CDATA[ Long time no talk to, eh? I'm sure that I've heard a couple of Treble Charger cuts. But they were both, I believe, from the band's previous album. To my knowledge, I haven't heard anything from the new album. So it rocks, does it? To which other artist(s) would you compare this album's overall sound (ie., new bands or old ones)? Thanks.<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: DON???</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8834#msg-8834</link><description><![CDATA[ Hey man, you should really check out the Canadian band called TREBLE CHARGER.. Check out their new cd called WIDE AWAKE BORED! It's a monster disc that not many ppl (other than Canadians) know about.. Amazing modern rock like the people on this board love!<br />Just a tip..<br /><br />-Rob ]]></description>
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<title>RE: SR-71 - One more comment on their sound...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8829#msg-8829</link><description><![CDATA[ Track #10 (&quot;Non-Toxic&quot;) just played and it struck me how in this song Mitch Allen's voice sounds a lot like the lead singer from The Outfield (I can't remember his name). This is about my 6-7th time listening to the disc, and I definitely rate it above the rest of the pack that I've heard so far. Mind you, I'm still waiting to get Tsar and Neve...<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Koogles, I just noticed...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8827#msg-8827</link><description><![CDATA[ ...your choice of words. You described SR-71 and the like as being &quot;COMMERCIAL mainstream radio fodder.&quot; Do you have any idea how many people would have considered the bands you listed (or the bands they resemble from the '80s/early '90s) as being exactly that?!?!?! Oh, man!!! I don't know how old you were in the '80s and '90s, but Journey, Danger Danger, Whitesnake, Poison, and virtually all of the bands we discuss and love on this board were slammed very frequently by fans of hard music for being &quot;COMMERCIAL mainstream radio fodder.&quot; Don't you remember the discussions? Didn't you read the articles and letters in the magazines? It was never-ending. Fans of Bon Jovi would bitch that Loverboy, Foreigner and Journey were too soft. Fans of Crue and Ratt would claim that Bon Jovi was too commercial. Fans of Accept, Maiden, and Priest would complain that Crue and Ratt were too wimpy. Fans of Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and Exodus would diss Maiden and Priest, etc. etc. etc. Does this jog your memory at all? Think hard...<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: Koogles, in a sense it all boils down to...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8826#msg-8826</link><description><![CDATA[ ...different strokes. I mean, I'm pretty sure I know what you're saying. No, SR-71, Marvelous 3, Eve 6, etc. are not as closely tied to most of what is considered as &quot;classic&quot; AOR/MHR as the bands you mentioned (although, to these ears, they're a lot closer to the sounds of certain bands such as Motley Crue than Ten or Magnum or whatever are). But to suggest that they have no place on this board is, IMO, somewhat narrow-minded. Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to start a flame war here. In truth, I suspect that our opinions are not too far apart. All I'm trying to point out is that classic AOR/MHR (the stuff that unquestionably &quot;belongs&quot; on this board, the stuff that isn't going to ruffle the feathers of the &quot;board police&quot;) REALLY varies in terms of its overall sound. I mean, what do Asia have in common with Motley Crue? How much like Journey is Skid Row? What similarities exist between Richard Marx and Guns n Roses? The answer to all of these questions is &quot;very little, almost nothing, nada.&quot; Some of these bands were at least as influenced by punk music (if not more) as they were by AOR. Yet, no one disputes their place on this AOR/MHR discussion board. And the punk music they were influenced by is a lot further removed from AOR/MHR than mainstream acts like Green Day (whom, btw, I've seen referred to as a &quot;90s version of Poison&quot;).<br /><br />I'm in my early '30s right now. I was raised on the likes of Journey, Loverboy, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, etc. And ya know, back in those bands' glory days, there were definitely many folks out there who argued that they were nothing but &quot;power pop&quot; bands. (Journey in particular were, associated with limp wrists and a lack of balls!! They're currently among my 3 all-time fave bands, along with Kiss and Judas Priest.) I remember the arguments that raged about whether or not Bon Jovi or Poison or Winger or Warrent or Ratt etc. belonged in &quot;metal&quot; magazines. The trouble comes with the labels. One person's idea of metal or AOR or MHR can differ tremendously from another person's. That's why, IMO, labels are really of very little use. They paint extremely vague pictures of what bands actually sound like. This is why when I am &quot;researching&quot; a new artist, I always try to obtain information about what they sound like. It is most helpful to me to hear comparisons so that I can get a picture in my mind of where a band fits into the spectrum. See, to my mother, who's almost 70 years old, and my in-laws, and my brother and sister-in-law, Bon Jovi sounds utterly obnoxious. They'd all unquestionably consider BJ to be a heavy metal band. Yet, to friends of mine, even bands that are significantly heavier than Bon Jovi would not qualify as metal. So who's right? More importantly, whose job is it to decide who is right? It's nobody's job. Nobody is qualified to do so. We all get to decide for ourselves what we conisider to be power pop or metal or MHR or AOR or whatever. We all get to form our own picture in our mind of what bands fall under what labels or categories. That's where the confusion comes in.<br /><br />The way I see it, this board exists for fans of music that is melodic, yet has an edge to it. We come here to discuss our thoughts on such bands and related topics. IMO, if it can support discussions on bands like the Eagles, Shania Twain, Chicago, etc., it can surely support some discussion of the &quot;new revolution&quot; of music with an edge (ie., Marvelous 3, SR-71, etc.). And there's absolutely no need for the &quot;Board Police&quot; to get uptight. If they (or you) don't feel that SR-71 fit into their/your picture of AOR/MHR, then I would respectfully recommend that they/you just don't read those comments. (Again, if you could hear my tone, I'm not trying to sound &quot;snippy.&quot; I'm not taking a shot at you.) I just think that this can easily be solved. If you find people's praise/enjoyment/discussion of these bands to be upsetting, if you feel that discussion of certain bands does not belong on this board, then you can avoid upset by simply ignoring it. But, as a person who HIGHLY RECOMMENDS keeping an open mind in terms of music (because it's like food, there's soooo much good stuff out there and life is a smorgasbord!), I would recommend that you give some of the new generation bands a fair listen.<br /><br />In closing, at this particular moment, SR-71's &quot;What a Mess&quot; is blasting out of my speakers. To these ears, it just sounds like a really catchy, melodic, hook-laden rock song with an edge. As for what you hear, well, I guess that's your call...<br />Don<br /><br />p.s. - For the record, none of the artists you mentioned sound unfamiliar to me. In fact, I happen to be a big fan of most of them.<br /><br /><br />Koogles wrote:<br />Excuse me... this new breed of revolutionaries of which you speak happen to be MAINSTREAM modern rock acts. You guys are<br />in a melodic rock AOR message board. Melodic hard rock (i.e. Ten, Fair Warning, etc.) is the revolution that waits for a time and a<br />place to happen. Power pop like SR-71, Eve 6, Blink 182 and Zebrahead all started with Green Day back in 1994 and I eagerly<br />anticipate the day when this breed of COMMERCIAL mainstream radio fodder gets levelled by a powerful melodic rock<br />renaissance led by artists such as House of Shakira, Raine, Hugo, Savannah, Jaded Heart, Change of Heart and others. If these<br />names sound unfamiliar to you, then you're on the wrong board, gentlemen! ]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>Koogles, Have you not noticed...</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8825#msg-8825</link><description><![CDATA[ ...that these bands rock, and they are melodic. They are therefore...<br /><br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Surfpunk</dc:creator>
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<title>koogles, you are dellusional.</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8824#msg-8824</link><description><![CDATA[ Repeat after me:<br /><br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />1988 has come and gone. This year is 2000.<br />etc<br /><br />Now you should be fixed :)<br /><br /><br />remember me in your will,<br />BD<br />]]></description>
<dc:creator>Copious K9</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: The revolution? Hardly!</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8817#msg-8817</link><description><![CDATA[ Excuse me... this new breed of revolutionaries of which you speak happen to be MAINSTREAM modern rock acts. You guys are in a melodic rock AOR message board. Melodic hard rock (i.e. Ten, Fair Warning, etc.) is the revolution that waits for a time and a place to happen. Power pop like SR-71, Eve 6, Blink 182 and Zebrahead all started with Green Day back in 1994 and I eagerly anticipate the day when this breed of COMMERCIAL mainstream radio fodder gets levelled by a powerful melodic rock renaissance led by artists such as House of Shakira, Raine, Hugo, Savannah, Jaded Heart, Change of Heart and others. If these names sound unfamiliar to you, then you're on the wrong board, gentlemen! ]]></description>
<dc:creator>koogles</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: The revolution</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8812#msg-8812</link><description><![CDATA[<br />&quot;SR-71 are only one of a shitload of great new bands coming out of the States right now. There are a number of people contributing to this board who are right on the ball with them. So if you're looking for more suggestions, then post again.&quot;<br /><br />...Yeah, I've bought a few of the things that have been suggested, and I'll continue to keep an eye out for what people are recommending. I have yet to be disappointed.<br /><br />&quot;Don't you rate the EVE 6?? Huh!?&quot;<br /><br />...Actually, I like 'em. I just don't like 'em quite as much as SR-71. Same goes with Marvelous 3, 3 Doors Down, Nine Days, etc.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;Anyway, check out NEVE and ZEBRAHEAD if you can handle your melodic punky stuff with a little rap thrown in.&quot;<br /><br />...I will do. Thanks for the heads up.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />&quot;There's a revolution goin' on!&quot;<br /><br />...There certainly is, and I for one am loving it!! Take care.<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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<title>The 'New Breed' keeps on rolling</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8800#msg-8800</link><description><![CDATA[ Don,<br />SR-71 are only one of a shitload of great new bands coming out of the States right now. There are a number of people contributing to this board who are right on the ball with them. So if you're looking for more suggestions, then post again.<br /><br />Don't you rate the EVE 6?? Huh!? Anyway, check out NEVE and ZEBRAHEAD if you can handle your melodic punky stuff with a little rap thrown in.<br /><br />There's a revolution goin' on!]]></description>
<dc:creator>Surfpunk</dc:creator>
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<title>RE: SR-71</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8769#msg-8769</link><description><![CDATA[ Don wrote:<br />-------------------------------<br />Hi all,<br /><br />I just picked this one up a few days ago and I am loving it. Especially the more melodic tracks laced with big harmonies. I cannot believe how much the singer's voice and the harmonies remind me of the '80s band called the Northern Pikes (anyone remember them?) All in all, the band sort of reminds me of what the Pikes would sound like if they updated their '80s pop sound (ie. added some punkish influences a la Blink 182/Green Day). I am truly digging this album. Fave track is, without a doubt, &quot;What a Mess.&quot; Cool stuff. IMO, this rates waaaay above the Marvelous 3, Eve 6, and a number of other newbies. That's not a criticism of those other bands/albums, it's just an indication of how much I like SR-71.<br />Don<br /><br /><br />re-post from the other board...<br /><br /><br />yea, just saw them last Friday night and was very impressed. Lead singer Mitch Allan is an unabashed fan of Guns<br />'N Roses (wore a GNR t-shirt the entire concert) and covered AC/DC's You Shook Me All Night Long as part<br />of their set. Pretty cool bunch of people--they stayed talking to fans and signing autographs for probably 30<br />minutes after the concert ended. Only about 200 people showed, but for a $6 concert with over an hour of live<br />music, I don't think anybody went away dissappointed and Mitch's farewell comment to the audience was<br />especially appropriate...&quot;we're bringing rock back!!&quot;<br /><br />Kevin]]></description>
<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
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<title>SR-71</title><link>http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,8768,8768#msg-8768</link><description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br /><br />I just picked this one up a few days ago and I am loving it. Especially the more melodic tracks laced with big harmonies. I cannot believe how much the singer's voice and the harmonies remind me of the '80s band called the Northern Pikes (anyone remember them?) All in all, the band sort of reminds me of what the Pikes would sound like if they updated their '80s pop sound (ie. added some punkish influences a la Blink 182/Green Day). I am truly digging this album. Fave track is, without a doubt, &quot;What a Mess.&quot; Cool stuff. IMO, this rates waaaay above the Marvelous 3, Eve 6, and a number of other newbies. That's not a criticism of those other bands/albums, it's just an indication of how much I like SR-71.<br />Don]]></description>
<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
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