i cant stand the way some second rate performers get too much credit. Overrated singer: Hugo- weak vocals, no real sign of power overrrated guitarists: slash (just awful- always) and Joe fuckin Perry (never been good) Underrated singer: Dave Bickler of Survivor- emotive, powerful distinctive one oif the best ever, even jamison couldnt fill his shoes Micheal Sweet of Stryper- extraordinary vocalist, almost uniquehttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6507#msg-6507Thu, 23 May 2013 11:37:36 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,7104#msg-7104 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,7104#msg-7104 jettagrl NoticeboardFri, 13 Oct 2000 13:56:01 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6684#msg-6684 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6684#msg-6684 Steve NoticeboardTue, 03 Oct 2000 14:04:09 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6643#msg-6643 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6643#msg-6643
DK]]> Kilzer NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 18:28:23 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6642#msg-6642 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6642#msg-6642 Sven NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 18:02:25 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6641#msg-6641 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6641#msg-6641
Peter]]> Peter M. Bietenholz NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 17:55:50 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6635#msg-6635 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6635#msg-6635Don

NP Saints and Sinners s/t]]> Don NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 13:27:54 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6612#msg-6612 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6612#msg-6612Recommendations? Lots but try checking out "Brothers" from Seventh Sign, "Only The Strong" from Facing The Animal, "You Don´t Remember, I´ll Never Forget" and/or "Crying" from Trilogy.

]]> Steve, Denmark NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 06:11:39 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6605#msg-6605 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6605#msg-6605
If you can suggest a song you think might change my mind, tell me what it is and I will keep an eye out on Napster for it.

DK



]]> Kilzer NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 04:21:36 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6600#msg-6600 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6600#msg-6600
My blood just boils when I read crap like this. You´re right - fast is not always best but to say Yngwie does not play with taste is frankly ignorant of his style. You should listen to players like Michael Angelo and Darren Householder to hear true exponents of the fast and tasteless genre.

Yngwie most certainly DOES know when to shred and when to hold a note. Those qualities are what make him - simply - a phenomenon. I suggest you listen to his material again.

"Overrated". I´d like to hear you play guitar like him. Thousands try.

Very, very few come close.

Rant over.


]]> Steve, Demark NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 02:41:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6583#msg-6583 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6583#msg-6583 Kilzer NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 17:58:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6570#msg-6570 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6570#msg-6570-------------------------------
...that you should mention "Ever Since the World Began." It's one of my all-time fave ballads, and, surprisingly, I don't often see it mentioned. I'm not what you'd consider a huge fan of Survivor's (to be honest, I don't own a lot of their music), but I really enjoy that song.
Don


well, to be totally honest, if all I heard were the hits--ie the Greatest Hits cd and Vital Signs--I wouldn't be much of a fan of them either. A lot of the stuff that you never heard though is where they were, to me, at their best with "Ever Since the World Began" being a good example.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 10:33:40 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6569#msg-6569 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6569#msg-6569
...See, personally, I don't think Michael is at all an over-rated vocalist. On the contrary, I think he's an extraordinarily talented vocalist. Yet, having said that, I freely admit I cannot stand to listen to him. If vocal talent can be defined as having a killer range and being able to sing with tons of power, then I don't think anyone can deny Michael's talent. But you're bang on when you use the phrase "over the top." Someone once posted on here and stated that his voice was like a runaway train, completely out of control. For me, that definition fits brilliantly. It's like he has no sense of when to use the gift he's been given. Kinda like a person who's never even seen a car before getting behind the wheel of a Porche: they'd have no idea of how traffic works, when to go fast, when to slow down, etc. That's Michael Matijevic. The guy has no clue (IMO, of course) when to shred and when to step back and use exercise some self-restraint. What a shame.
Don]]> Don NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 10:18:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6568#msg-6568 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6568#msg-6568Don]]> Don NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 10:00:22 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6563#msg-6563 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6563#msg-6563-------------------------------

The most overrated singer in history is Michael Matijevic. People think he's so great just because he has a powerful voice. To me he is the Yngwie of singers. He has major talent but not a clue as to how to use it. He doesn't know that a well placed scream here and there in strategic spots in a song is much more impressive than just screaming through a whole song. Especially a love song like "Never Let You Go". Those two should form a band and call it "Over The Top".


Yea, Matejevic can go overboard on the glass notes a lot. He does have talent though, but as you mentioned, there is a fine line as to when to use the high note and when to stay low. I used to put Freddy Curci is this category also with regards to the Sheriff cd, but he has been getting progressively better--and using his words mostly, "singing what needs to be sung in the song rather than using a song to sing around it".

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 08:33:12 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6541#msg-6541 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6541#msg-6541
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Don't agree with you about Hugo. He's a very good one. The one I really can't stand is Richard Marx!!! Too much overrated!!!
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Well, yeah he was, but...... who the hell has heard from Richard Marx since 1990??


Michael Sweet is a great singer, but unique? Dennis De Young might disagree with that. I don't know how many times somebody asked me if I was listening to Styx back when the first couple of Stryper albums came out.

Anyone who slams Slash and Joe Perry and then defends ANY member of Survivor, kings of 80's cheese...... doesn't even deserve the effort of a response to something so entirely laughable. Granted, Guns N Roses disintegrated and Aerosmith of the last 10 years is every bit as bad as Survivor, but you can't discount what these guys did in their prime.

Now my choice for over-rated.....

Ratt - had one good album

Poison - Only bought the album because I thought they were girls

Cinderella - Tom's Janis Joplin impression on the "Stairway to Heaven/Highway to Hell" charity album was much better than the Brian Johnson impression he used on their own albums.

Def Leppard - Yeah I give them credit for surviving after losing 2 1/2 of their original members, but they keep doing the same album over and over again, and will never top "High and Dry" in my opinion.

Kiss - Yeah I loved em when I was 12, but I saw that "opening night" show on VH 1. Talk about embarassing! Peter Criss could barely hit the drums, Paul Stanley was singing ridicuolously off key and out of time, and Gene and Ace's background grunts were completely pathetic.

The Who - from 1968 to 1973, nobody could touch these guys. But when Keith Moon died in 1978, he took the power of the band with him. The 1982 farewell tour should have remained just that. Instead we got the 1989, 1994, 1998, and 2000 tours. Hope I die before I get old? NOT!]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 03:46:23 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6523#msg-6523 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6523#msg-6523 Francesco NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 22:35:47 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6518#msg-6518 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6518#msg-6518
Slash is too sloppy for my tastes.

Axl Rose sounds like Ethel Murman and the Penguin exploded.

Brett Michaels is very pretty but has a totally average voice.

John Oates = The world's luckiest man = Andrew Ridgely

Macie Gray sounds like Tina Turner very early in the morning

Jack Blades on bass??? Has anyone ever heard him do a run?

Gary Richrath played the same hammer on technique in 7 of every 10 REO songs. Too bad they didn't have Dave Amato from day one.

Oasis is another bad version of the Beatles. They have big fights that totally distract their audience from noticing the mediocrety of the band.

The most overrated singer in history is Michael Matijevic. People think he's so great just because he has a powerful voice. To me he is the Yngwie of singers. He has major talent but not a clue as to how to use it. He doesn't know that a well placed scream here and there in strategic spots in a song is much more impressive than just screaming through a whole song. Especially a love song like "Never Let You Go". Those two should form a band and call it "Over The Top".

There are many more but I gotta go to bed!

DK

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i cant stand the way some second rate performers get too much credit.

Overrated singer: Hugo- weak vocals, no real sign of power

hmm...I like Hugo's vocals. If you want power, see him live--his voice just echos forever.




Underrated singer: Dave Bickler of Survivor- emotive, powerful distinctive one oif the best ever, even jamison couldnt fill his shoes

To be honest, I don't think Jimi Jamison ever tried to fill his shoes---and probably for the better since his voice was nothing like Bickler's. JJ had a few blow-them-away vocal performances like "Man Against the World", but Dave's work on "Ever Since the World Began" gave him an almost automatic introduction into the Best Vocalists for me.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 16:06:46 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6511#msg-6511 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6511#msg-6511
Good Night
Travis]]> travis NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 15:47:50 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6507#msg-6507 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6507,6507#msg-6507Overrated singer: Hugo- weak vocals, no real sign of power
overrrated guitarists: slash (just awful- always) and Joe fuckin Perry (never been good)

Underrated singer: Dave Bickler of Survivor- emotive, powerful distinctive one oif the best ever, even jamison couldnt fill his shoes
Micheal Sweet of Stryper- extraordinary vocalist, almost unique]]> Chris NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 13:25:05 +1100