Not only is the Special Edition CD released on the heels of the regular one, a word on the Salt Lake City show included. I saw a good chunk of it on Pay Per View (well, more like Free View on my ilegal dish) and kinda got tired. Of course, you can't see fat & out of shape Vince on the recording. The thing is, I don't know what's wrong with his voice, but he skips over a lot of words. Particularly the small ones, he just eats up the a's, the and's, the the's. My guess is he gets winded at would collapse if he sang through them all. Or maybe it has something to do with his range, I really don't have a clue. For instance, when Kickstart My Heart begins, instead of "When I get high I get high on speed", he'll go, "When I...high....high...speed". And he goes on in that fashion. May seem like nothing but after a while it gets annoying. They play well, but that pissed me off a bit. Less lyrics for your buck! You have been warned..... Also, a word on the Bon Jovi Storytellers, did anyone see that? Sure, I enjoyed it (despite the fact I believed it would be an hour and a half), but Jon's voice is different. Did anyone notice? It's sort of more....nasal, whiny. Sure, it's still Jon but he doesn't have the roughness and masculinity it did before. Maybe I just didn't notice it before and it's old news. But I guess that's evident on the albums too, if you hear New jersey and Crush. Now for the record, I like Crush, this isn't about the quality of the music. Maybe it has to do with the voice problems he had....perhaps he had to alter his singing style to not blow his pipes. His newfound nasal whininess was particularly noticeable on You Give Love A Bad Name. Annoyed me, I was talking to the telly, "Stop it Jon, sing well dammit!". Cheers, Jack. http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6447#msg-6447Thu, 23 May 2013 09:09:30 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6603#msg-6603 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6603#msg-6603 Kevin NoticeboardMon, 02 Oct 2000 03:40:14 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6585#msg-6585 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6585#msg-6585

To me, he doesn't really sound like he has lost much of anything over the years.
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Except his hair, of course ;)]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 18:02:47 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6579#msg-6579 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6579#msg-6579
Don wrote:
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...Chris is right, Johnny Gioeli is simply getting better with time. He really tears it up with ARP, and the songwriting is top-notch too (although waaaaay different than the Hardline stuff).

could be. Only way he could go was up after Hardline though, IMO.



I also respect his top five list - he's listed some bloody fine vocalists there.

yea, it was a good list.




F.O.R.D. is gonna blow a gasket (pun intended) at this one, but I don't consider David Lee Roth to be
particularly gifted in the vocal department either. Yet, along with guys like Robin Zander, Steve Tyler, and Eric Bloom, I consider
his voice to be unique.

yea, DLR doesn't exactly have a great voice, but I think it was more about the attitude he projected than actual technical abilities---and why Sammy couldn't sing DLR's stuff as well. Same thing for me between Dave Bickler and Jimi Jamison in Survivor. Technically, JJ was the better singer (as was Sammy in VH), but never had the attitude that came across so well.



And, what's even more important to me, all of the aforementioned singers happen to have made some
music that kicks royal hiney. To each their own and everything, but I just don't understand the need to tell people to stop listening
to an artist because their technical skills aren't quite as proficient as some of the other artists out there.


guess it's because I'm a singer at heart and that I listen to vocals SO much. If the person can't sing, it's really hard for me to like the song. It's just the way I am usually....

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 16:10:36 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6577#msg-6577 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6577#msg-6577
I must admit, though, I have a hard time understanding the point of Chris' initial post. If Jon Bon Jovi (or Vince Neil, or Barry Manilow, or whomever...) rocks some people's worlds, then is that such a crime? Should that be everyone's criteria for whether or not they listen to (or enjoy) and artist's music: that he/she's a top-notch vocalist? Does a vocalist need to be one of the best (or even very good at all?) in order to create some worthwhile music? Certainly not, in my opinion. Jon, Vince Neil, Bret Michaels, Jani Lane, Dave Mustaine, Stephen Pearcy, and Biff Byford are just a few of the vocalists whom I consider to be mediocre, but whose music I still enjoy. F.O.R.D. is gonna blow a gasket (pun intended) at this one, but I don't consider David Lee Roth to be particularly gifted in the vocal department either. Yet, along with guys like Robin Zander, Steve Tyler, and Eric Bloom, I consider his voice to be unique. And, what's even more important to me, all of the aforementioned singers happen to have made some music that kicks royal hiney. To each their own and everything, but I just don't understand the need to tell people to stop listening to an artist because their technical skills aren't quite as proficient as some of the other artists out there. If that were the case, we'd all just be listening to Kansas, Dream Theatre, Rush, and the like. It's like suggesting that we should only eat vegetables, because they're filled with the most vitamins (aren't they?!). There's a lot more to quality food (and music) than just that one dimension.

I'm not tryin' to ruffle feathers here or start a flame war or anything. I mean no disrespect towards Chris at all. I was just a little surprised to see a post like his come up. It may even have been said (written) with a tongue firmly planted in his cheek. It's so hard to hear (read) people's "tone of voice" over the internet. Anyways, I'll step down off my soapbox now...
Rev. Don]]> Don NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 15:06:29 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6573#msg-6573 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6573#msg-6573
I don't think Jon was ever that good a vocalist. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy his music. I enjoy a few bands with mediocre vocalists: Poison, Motley Crue, Ratt, etc. (ironically, many of the vocalists whose names have come up in this thread). ]]> Don NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 14:18:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6560#msg-6560 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6560#msg-6560-------------------------------

But IMHO, the best singer in Bon Jovi is the guy who gets the backing vocals. Richie Sambora has a world class versatile voice, but rarely get to use it to its best advantage.

I've never heard his solo cds, but I must say I was rather impressed with his vocals on that one song on the Stuart Smith cd "When a Blind Man Cries".



And didn't Vince Neil always sound bad anyway?

I doubt there are many that would disagree with that...lol

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 07:57:22 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6559#msg-6559 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6559#msg-6559
And didn't Vince Neil always sound bad anyway?]]> Jan NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 07:49:11 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6553#msg-6553 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6553#msg-6553
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I saw Bon Jovi in 1989 and I didn't think he could sing all that great live then. So I wasn't surprised to hear what an additional 11 years had done to his voice on the Storytellers thing. It happens to the best of singers, especially after they hit 40. If you listen closely to the new U2 songs, even Bono, one of the best singers of the last 20 years is starting to lose some of his vocal power. And that's a truly sad thing.

As for Vince Neil... given the fact that the first Motley Crue album sounds like they had helium piped into the studio (great album though), there's no doubt that his "natural" voice is not the one you hear on the albums. And again, he's older too. All the drinking, smoking, and drugs certainly don't help preserve vocal range either.



yea....out of all the people I have seen live recently that have done a huge amount of touring, the only one who really sounds the same is Phil Collins. To me, he doesn't really sound like he has lost much of anything over the years.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 06:27:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6542#msg-6542 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6542#msg-6542
As for Vince Neil... given the fact that the first Motley Crue album sounds like they had helium piped into the studio (great album though), there's no doubt that his "natural" voice is not the one you hear on the albums. And again, he's older too. All the drinking, smoking, and drugs certainly don't help preserve vocal range either.]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardSun, 01 Oct 2000 04:01:04 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6508#msg-6508 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6508#msg-6508 Rob NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 13:25:29 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6499#msg-6499 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6499#msg-6499
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 10:00:00 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6497#msg-6497 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6497#msg-6497 Chris NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 09:48:48 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6490#msg-6490 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6490#msg-6490
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 08:01:32 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6489#msg-6489 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6489#msg-6489
Gav]]> Gav NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 07:19:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6486#msg-6486 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6486#msg-6486Chris wrote:
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You punks should listen to real singers like Johnny Gioeli and Mark Free, stick Bon Jovi



Mark Free is definitely one of the best there is, but somehow I never thought Gioeli as anything more than just average. Not bad, but not inspirationally great either---about like I view John Waite also.

As far as the Bon Jovi thing, I noticed it also that he sounded very nasal on certain songs. Not sure the reason but he definitely for the worse for it.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 06:37:12 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6478#msg-6478 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6478#msg-6478 Chris NoticeboardSat, 30 Sep 2000 03:45:42 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6455#msg-6455 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6455#msg-6455
Cheers and beers

Benno]]> Benno NoticeboardFri, 29 Sep 2000 18:02:30 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6454#msg-6454 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6454#msg-6454
I saw them live here in Zurich a few weeks ago and was surprised how good his vocals sounded compared to other times I've seen them. But then I guess it's different hearing someone's voice and its finer nuances in a stadium setting compared to a TV or radio broadcast. But a vocal acrobat he never was and will never be.

Peter]]> Peter M. Bietenholz NoticeboardFri, 29 Sep 2000 17:49:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6447#msg-6447 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,6447,6447#msg-6447Not only is the Special Edition CD released on the heels of the regular one, a word on the Salt Lake City show included. I saw a good chunk of it on Pay Per View (well, more like Free View on my ilegal dish) and kinda got tired. Of course, you can't see fat & out of shape Vince on the recording. The thing is, I don't know what's wrong with his voice, but he skips over a lot of words. Particularly the small ones, he just eats up the a's, the and's, the the's. My guess is he gets winded at would collapse if he sang through them all. Or maybe it has something to do with his range, I really don't have a clue.

For instance, when Kickstart My Heart begins, instead of "When I get high I get high on speed", he'll go, "When I...high....high...speed". And he goes on in that fashion.

May seem like nothing but after a while it gets annoying. They play well, but that pissed me off a bit. Less lyrics for your buck! You have been warned.....

Also, a word on the Bon Jovi Storytellers, did anyone see that? Sure, I enjoyed it (despite the fact I believed it would be an hour and a half), but Jon's voice is different. Did anyone notice? It's sort of more....nasal, whiny. Sure, it's still Jon but he doesn't have the roughness and masculinity it did before. Maybe I just didn't notice it before and it's old news. But I guess that's evident on the albums too, if you hear New jersey and Crush. Now for the record, I like Crush, this isn't about the quality of the music. Maybe it has to do with the voice problems he had....perhaps he had to alter his singing style to not blow his pipes.

His newfound nasal whininess was particularly noticeable on You Give Love A Bad Name. Annoyed me, I was talking to the telly, "Stop it Jon, sing well dammit!".

Cheers,
Jack.





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