Does anyone else out there wonder why the Japanese release date for Arrival didn't change? I hope it doesn't hurt their sales in other parts of the world. Most people I know will probably put forth the extra cash to get the Japanese version (with extra track) in October. When the U.S. version becomes available in February (hopefully), they will have already had Arrival for 4 months. I know that I will not be purchasing the U.S. version (without extra track). If many others feel this same way, then where does that leave the band come February. I know that the masses will not run out to find the Japan version in October, but if enough do, then that could result in poor(er) sales when the disc is finally released in the U.S. and Europe. This combined with the Napster fiasco certainly does not help. Oh well, here's to hoping they know what they're doing! Roberthttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5711#msg-5711Thu, 20 Jun 2013 06:44:32 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5887#msg-5887 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5887#msg-5887 mike NoticeboardSun, 17 Sep 2000 09:53:03 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5836#msg-5836 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5836#msg-5836
I guess the main action to make Journey successful is to inform the big crowd out there that Journey has a new album out and not to crucify Napster. Napster could be THE way to let people know that there's a new Journey.

DJ
]]> DJ Klaus NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 19:35:55 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5820#msg-5820 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5820#msg-5820
Good logic about nice stereo system vs PC system ( I also spent an arm an a leg on a High end Stereo Home theatre) but you wouldn't believe the people who think listening to music out of their 2 cent PC speakers is the neatest thing since slice bread. If you don't have a nice system, or can't afford one, your ears don't know the difference. Of course, you know ears mature very quickly when the crisp clean sound comes out of a nice speaker froma nice receiver.... LOL]]> Eric NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 10:47:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5818#msg-5818 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5818#msg-5818
Augeri is 40 years old and I don't believe Schon or Cain are yet 50 - really not that big of an age difference.

I still can't believe we have people on this forum blasting other melodic rock bands. The difference from us (fan of melodic rock) and the modern rock world should be that we are positive.

Sounds kind of stupid - but "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"?

Seriously, lets try to support any good Melodic rock, whether we like it or not. ]]> Eric NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 10:41:01 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5815#msg-5815 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5815#msg-5815
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 09:50:12 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5789#msg-5789 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5789#msg-5789 mike NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 03:08:55 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5787#msg-5787 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5787#msg-5787 Bladesian NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:45:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5786#msg-5786 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5786#msg-5786your right everyone is entitled to an opinion but at least Journey have their own
sound. Johnny Lima ( and I have his cd's so don't think I dislike him ) is never going to make a big splash in the AOR world with a style that apes the 1st 2
Bon Jovi albums albeit in inferior quality.
Also to say Johnny Lima will still be writing music in 20 years but where will Journey be ? is a stupid comment.
Fistly, Journey are older and HAVE been around for a long time and have had a huge amount of success even if they never recapture the glory days sales wise.
Johnny Lima has a very long way to go to match what they have acheived and
frankly I bet Johnny himself won't even know if he'll be writing music in 20 years
so how can you know ?]]> Carl NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:45:13 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5785#msg-5785 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5785#msg-5785
And if they get radio air play, there will be a lot of people buying it who were never aware of the Japanese release.
]]> Bladesian NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:41:22 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5783#msg-5783 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5783#msg-5783
And if they get radio air play, there will be a lot of people buying it who were never aware of the Japanese release.]]> Bladesian NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:39:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5782#msg-5782 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5782#msg-5782You seem to forget that not everyone has a pc and there will be lots among those
who don't who will buy the cd
Also there are lots of people who want to listen to their music on a cd system as opposed to on their pc. I took a lot of time and money getting a hifi system I wanted and would never use my pc as a source to play back cd's.
I only download stuff to get an idea of musical style. If I like the band and their music I'll buy the record regardless of being able to burn a cdr off a shite system
like Napster.]]> Carl NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:37:01 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5780#msg-5780 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5780#msg-5780
If you are talking about one of the small acts, I can see where Japan might affect it, but let's look at the numbers here. Journey board.....maybe 500 people. Maybe a couple of thousand that visit here. We are talking 2500 people at most here. When you have a band planning on selling somewhere near 1,000,000 copies of the cd, 2500 is nothing.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 02:18:38 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5779#msg-5779 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5779#msg-5779*sigh*, okay let me clear this up.....it's a cumulative effect. Meaning, the impulse-buying fans will get the Japanese CD, and the ones who don't (indeed, the majority) will burn CDRs from Napster. They don't exclude each other. Some people will do one thing, and the ones who don't want to plunk down the import bucks will do the other. Get it? The point is that US sales could potentially be affected by both ways, much more by the second.

I I specified I didn't think this was the way it was going to happen, just a possibility, something to ponder while you while your time away on this board.

Cheers,
Jack.]]> Jack NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 01:54:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5776#msg-5776 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5776#msg-5776
As far as Napster goes, it probably is a matter of time before the full Japanese cd is there....but unless you have practically a network connection, it's hardly worth your time to spend 1-2hrs per song downloading everything. Most people are running on a 56k connection--and there just isn't enough hours in the day to spend trying to mess with Napster and it's 20,000,000 transfer errors to get a full cd. More than likely, people will just dl the bonus song and wait for the US release to come out.

We shall see....
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 01:15:10 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5775#msg-5775 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5775#msg-5775
Yes I do think I have a rather optimistic vision...sometimes I think I am the only one, ha ha!

But I don't think it's fair to say I have very poor taste just because I prefer Johnny Lima over Journey...that's a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

20 years from now...Johnny will still be writing music...where will Journey be?!?!?

Cheers

Vince


Carl wrote:
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I agree with Kris, Vince if you think the likes of Johnny Lima etc are the future of
AOR you have a very optomistic vision but more sadly very poor taste and no
clue.]]> Vince Viani NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 01:13:43 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5774#msg-5774 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5774#msg-5774Hi Kris,

Of course most people don't know who Steve Augeri is yet....but you figure they could have gotten a handful of better singers (I won't mention any names as there are too many to list).

But they didn't

You don't think Columbia might have had something to do with their decision? In a time where being old is simply not "cool", what better choice than to choose a young and energetic frontman, who surely isn't as good as Perry but just might give Journey a chance to appeal to younger audiences

As you know, the frontman is the most important part of the band when it comes to fan appeal...

And saying Journey is the future of AOR is not fair...firstly, many members of Journey are old enough to qualify for senior citizen discounts at the local theatre!

How can you say they are the future....they are the past! Why keep depending on the old timers to help this genre of music grow?

It's amazing to me that many people consider themselves fans of AOR and don't care at all about any of the new bands...I'm sure many people on this message board do care but it's just not fair for the newer bands who are being ignored and dismissed because of some old timers who prior to 1996 had not released a studio album in nearly 10 years!

As for Johnny Lima, at least he is doing this style of music for the LOVE and not the money...that's the difference between Johnny Lima and Journey!

Cheers

Vince


Kris wrote:
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You think they brought in Steve Augeri to appeal to younger fans? Cmon, most people don't even know who he is!! You ask the general person on the street and say "Have you heard of the band Tall Stories" and they'll give you a strange look and tell you to get the hell out of their way. ~~ And Journey would be considered the future of AOR simply by the power of the band and thier history, And Johnny Lima? The future of AOR? A.........I hope not or were in for a very dark future.]]> Vince Viani NoticeboardFri, 15 Sep 2000 01:08:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5755#msg-5755 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5755#msg-5755DJ
]]> DJ Klaus NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 18:21:15 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5753#msg-5753 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5753#msg-5753AOR you have a very optomistic vision but more sadly very poor taste and no
clue.]]> Carl NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 16:35:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5748#msg-5748 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5748#msg-5748 Kris NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 14:54:05 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5730#msg-5730 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5730#msg-5730
Another insightful message from you...here are my comments:

1. About a CD's initial interest wearing off...I've noticed that this happens on some cds and not others...for example, I think many of us could listen to Dare's "Out of the Silence" or Frontline's "Heroes" for an eternity and still love those albums just as much as when we heard them the first time

But as for Journey....as they have usually had only 2-3 great songs on each album anyway...it doesn't look good!! Just my opinion of course

Just my opinion...but if you havent really liked Journey before you're not going to like the new album any more or less...

2. All this talk of Journey....how about the NEW bands? How about the bands that are the future of AOR?

It's funny when people say Journey are the future of AOR...that's bollocks! Journey do not know about or even care about the AOR scene....they're making records because they are signed to Columbia and Columbia says they have to make records THEIR way....

Why do you think they brought on Steve Augeri? To dispel the myth that they are old rockers...by bringing on Augeri they felt they could relate to younger fans maybe?

3. How about discussing bands like ELYTE, FRONTLINE, DANNY DANZI, JOHNNY LIMA, DREAMHUNTER, ECLIPSE, STREET TALK, etc.?

These bands are the future of AOR/Melodic Hard Rock...not Journey, Foreigner, Survivor, etc.

It's nice that Journey are releasing a new album....but honestly, do you really think it's going to make much of a difference? At the end of the day...they are still signed to a major label...major labels don't care about the music! It's all about $$$

And as long as it's that way....you can forget about a band like Journey caring about AOR. If they dont sell enough records they will no longer have a record deal...so they have to do things Columbia's way, unfortunately...

Cheers

Vince

]]> Vince Viani NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 07:33:49 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5727#msg-5727 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5727#msg-5727
I've had an original copy of the13 track advance promo CD of
Arrival for about a month now....

It is AWESOME!!! What a difference the songs are from the napster demos...I
wish you all could hear it this way!

Classic JRNY power ballade - heaven!

And even though I have all the songs in digital quality, I'll be first in line to buy the Jap version next month just for the extra song.

I hope the early Jap release and long US delay doesn't hurt the band - cause this album is put together very well and if marketed correctly, will be a huge hit for the band!

Hang in there, stand behind our band - cause when Arrival finally hits the
shelves in October and February, you won't be disappointed!!!

Ron]]> Ron NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 07:21:52 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5726#msg-5726 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5726#msg-5726
I've had an original copy of the13 track advance promo CD of
Arrival for about a month now....

It is AWESOME!!! What a difference the songs are from the napster demos...I
wish you all could hear it this way!

Classic JRNY power ballade - heaven!

And even though I have all the songs in digital quality, I'll be first in line to buy the Jap version next month just for the extra song.

I hope the early Jap release and long US delay doesn't hurt the band - cause this album is put together very well and if marketed correctly, will be a huge hit for the band!

Hang in there, stand behind our band - cause when Arrival finally hits the
shelves in October and February, you won't be disappointed!!!

Ron]]> Ron NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 07:21:32 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5719#msg-5719 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5719#msg-5719

Well, their mangement didn't have the foresight to see what would happen and it might just blow up in their faces. Releasing it only in one territory will be counter-productive, they should have not released it at all, or put it out as previously scheduled. The Journey fans will get the Japanese CD, it's that simple. That will diminish US sales from the Journey fanbase at home. The only way it will climb the charts come February, then, is if they score a massive hit that gets people outside the fanbase to buy their record. And it would be ridiculous to count on it. Maybe if it came out a month later things would be okay, but not six.

Second, is Napster. The CD will be all over Napster immediately. Only this time, the songs will be top flight quality, not the awful-sounding tracks that are available now.

Of course, tons of fans will rather take this road instead of ordering it at the expensive Japanese price and reason, "Well, I'll live with a CDR for the time being and buy the real thing come February". What's the problem with this approach? That the appeal will wear off, and although they still may very much enjoy the disc, willl they pay 16 + dollars for a disc they have already played out and own? Some will, but they will be the hard core Journey fans dying to have the real deal, and naturally enough, they won't have to buy it in the US because they bought the Japanese version already. People who aren't Journey fans and simply like the music won't be dying for the packaged CD.

And even if you are a Journey fan, you might not buy it because of the psychological factor involved when a disc "gets old". Meaning, even if the disc is very good, if you live with it for nearly six months and wear the songs out, it will no longer be worth so much. Right now, I'm sure many of us would dash to the store, plunk down the money, and leave happy. But the songs are new, we have only heard crap quality versions, it's exciting to have a new release, etc.....All songs, no matter how good, lose much of their initial appeal over time. That's just the way we are as humans. I'm not saying you like them less, but they're no longer the tremendously fresh and exciting goodies they were when you first unwrap the CD and pop it into the player.

So if you've heard the CD hundreds of times, it's had its run in your cars's CD changer for many months, it won't be worth the same to you anymore. Because the initial frenzy has worn itself out. So maybe many people, come February, won't go buy it anymore because the CD isnt worth nearly as much when the impulse factor of owning the songs is gone, and you've already played it to death. It's kinda like buying a book you've already read. You can certainly enjoy it again, but it's not the same as the fitrst time, so you won't pay as much for it anymore. It's not as necessary to buy the Journey CD if it's been part of your collection for six months, CDR format or not. And the people who would want the nice CD package will have ordered it from Japan since October.

I'm not saying this will happen, I don't know if it'll go that far...just something to think about.

Cheers,
Jack.
]]> Jack NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 05:34:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5716#msg-5716 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5716#msg-5716 Francesco NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 04:24:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5715#msg-5715 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5715#msg-5715 ADOLFO NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 04:20:06 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5712#msg-5712 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5712#msg-5712 mike NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 02:14:20 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5711#msg-5711 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5711,5711#msg-5711
Oh well, here's to hoping they know what they're doing!
Robert]]> Robert NoticeboardThu, 14 Sep 2000 01:48:46 +1100