I can't wait for this new Journey album without Steve Perry. He was no good. I am also looking forward to a new Led Zeppelin album without Robert Plant. It would also be nice to have a new album from Def Leppard without Joe Elliot. While these geniuses in the musical world are at it, a new album by Bon Jovi without Jon would be really neat. Whitesnake without David Coverdale would be cool. I just really think it is awesome when legendary bands replace legendary singers and continue using the same band name. That is certainly not fraud. No sir.http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5060#msg-5060Mon, 20 May 2013 04:35:14 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5353#msg-5353 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5353#msg-5353LOL...I love someone who can drive home a point using
all the necessary tools...sarcasm, irony, and umm all those other
comedic angles. I think it was Molly Hatchet that used all new members & then the singer got ill so they used a new singer so there were no original guys on the cd!!!!
How Spinal Tap is that?]]> Lil Al NoticeboardTue, 05 Sep 2000 03:45:31 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5350#msg-5350 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5350#msg-5350I prefer Hagar also....I saw Marillion with Hogarth and liked him. A friend remarked that she liked Marillion with the new guy and that the old singer wrote "music to slit your wrists by". Just
opinions nothing more. Let's start a subject- Which band has had
the most vocalists? Rainbow? ]]> Lil Al NoticeboardTue, 05 Sep 2000 03:23:40 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5349#msg-5349 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5349#msg-5349It's words and music. gotta have both. you need vocals to convey the emotion of the music. Singing someone else's lyrics
is just going through the motions. Lyrics are very personal, Writing lyrics about something you've experienced and being able to connect with the listener- thats magic. Listen to Jeff Beck
on "Cause We've Ended As Lovers" he doesn't need a singer; he lets his guitar do the talking- magic again.]]> Lil Al NoticeboardTue, 05 Sep 2000 03:07:17 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5311#msg-5311 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5311#msg-5311 eric NoticeboardSun, 03 Sep 2000 08:29:49 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5308#msg-5308 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5308#msg-5308
IMO, Marillion is a much better band with Steve Hogarth. I prefer Hagar to Roth.

And your title is another good example...Survivor. They had both Bickler and Jamison, both with their strong points.

And how many vocalists has Toto had?!?

]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardSun, 03 Sep 2000 06:41:38 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5304#msg-5304 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5304#msg-5304showman. Fish is the heart & soul of Marillion. Like Pete Townshend said, "It's the singer not the song that makes the music move along".........]]> Lil Al NoticeboardSun, 03 Sep 2000 05:53:28 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5283#msg-5283 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5283#msg-5283 SP NoticeboardSat, 02 Sep 2000 12:34:33 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5279#msg-5279 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5279#msg-5279]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardSat, 02 Sep 2000 08:11:55 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5247#msg-5247 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5247#msg-5247 ed NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 13:37:21 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5240#msg-5240 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5240#msg-5240
You conceding that you wouldn't consider Journey as Journey if Neal Schon weren't there and Perry was has made me respect you now.

Now - we have a legit argument from you

Unfortunately, many on your side (Journey isn't Journey without Perry) WOULD think they were Journey if just Perry and 4 stiffs were out there.

If it is your opinion that a band shouldn't go on under the same name if any integral member departs - then we all need to respect that - its valid, even if we don't agree. It just seems like many music "fans" hear only vocals.]]> Eric NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 11:33:00 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5239#msg-5239 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5239#msg-5239
You didn't hear this new lineup live therefore you are not entitled to an opinion about them - especially calling them a Tribute band????? That is a smack in the face to Neal Schon. Perry was a part of them a LONG time ago - give it up for Christ Sakes. He was part of them for PART of their duration. Journey is Journey without Steve Perry. You listened to a crappy test songs downloaded and uploaded by suspect equipment for Arrival - don't make these absurd statements until after you have experienced the new lineup live and on CD.]]> Eric NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 11:23:55 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5236#msg-5236 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5236#msg-5236 Kevin NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 10:32:52 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5234#msg-5234 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5234#msg-5234
Coorsman wrote:
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>Oh, I've just GOT to reply to this message.

Right back ay ya!


>If the only way you can "prove" your point is by mentioning Marillion, Styx, and >Wildest Dreams you need to try a little harder. That's really reaching there, pal.

Why? Your point is you think Perry is the ONLY voice of Journey. Others thought that as well with the bands I mentioned and all went on to equally as successful careers.

>In this case the argument is NOT that "Steve Perry" was first. Everyone knows >Perry wasn't there from the beginning. The OPINION expressed by myself and a >precious few others on this board is that Perry, during his time with Journey, >BECAME such an integral part of the band's identity that it seems ludicrous to >expect that the band will still be Journey without him.

And again, VH was pretty damned successful with Hagar, Genesis wildly successful with Phil Collins, etc. At least give Augeri a chance!

>All I'm asking is that you at least concede the point that it's not the Journey we >could have had if they'd waited for Perry to recover

There is SO MUCH more to the story than Steve's injury!
]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 10:01:03 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5233#msg-5233 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5233#msg-5233

The recordings you have do not sound great because they are bootlegg material. I have a live recording of the show i i saw in Seattle and it sounds not even close to what i saw live! Perry's voice was incredible, in top form! Everyone after the show could not believe he still sounded so awesome! This was in 95 at the 5th ave theater in seattle. He had a lung infection afterward and had to cancell the rest of his shows. It had nothing to do with voice problems. I am so tired of people saying his voice is giving out because it hasn't! He sings in a different style than he used to because of maturity in his voice due to age and he stated during ''street talk'' that he wanted to change his vocal style. I saw the man live in 95 and i know how great his voice sounded.

]]> Brian NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 09:41:22 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5231#msg-5231 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5231#msg-5231you at least concede the point that it's not the Journey we could have had if they'd waited for Perry to recover.


Just as a question......if you listen to Kevin Shirley who is producing the new cd, Perry walked. aka, he didn't want to be in Journey anymore. So there was no "waiting for Perry to recover"---it was either move on or no more Journey for well....who knows--maybe 5 yrs? maybe 10yrs? maybe never??

Would I prefer a Perry-led Journey? Well, I think that's obvious, though he had some serious vocal issues on the FTLOSM solo tour that were NOT cold related---I have recordings and he was definitely not sick which makes me wonder about whether his voice would hold for a Journey tour, but that's a side subject better left for another debate.

Would I prefer the current version of Journey to no Journey? YES--and I think about 99% of the people at the concerts last summer would agree.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 08:12:26 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5230#msg-5230 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5230#msg-5230 Coorsman NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 07:42:56 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5228#msg-5228 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5228#msg-5228
If the only way you can "prove" your point is by mentioning Marillion, Styx, and Wildest Dreams you need to try a little harder. That's really reaching there, pal.

Look, as was said in an earlier post --- FIRST doesn't equal BEST.

In this case the argument is NOT that "Steve Perry" was first. Everyone knows Perry wasn't there from the beginning. The OPINION expressed by myself and a precious few others on this board is that Perry, during his time with Journey, BECAME such an integral part of the band's identity that it seems ludicrous to expect that the band will still be Journey without him.

sfk kurt wrote:

"Have you forgotten that Perry was not an original member of the band? Technically, maybe they weren't Journey without Robert Fleichman. "

Hey, pal... To me, Journey never really was JOURNEY before Perry came onboard. It's the same way that Rush before Neil Peart isn't really Rush. Peart came into the band, began writing 99.95% of all the songs they've done in the past 25 years or so and brought his identifiable and unique drumwork to the band's music. So that now, if Peart were to leave the band and Rush decided to continue without him it might be something but it wouldn't be RUSH.

Sometimes a member of a band becomes truly "irreplaceable." Hey, I'd feel the same way if Perry was trying to do Journey without Neal Schon. For me, those two are the true heart of Journey. One without the other is really nothing more than a glorified solo project. Perry's solo albums aren't Journey. Bad English wasn't Journey. And this new thing calling itself "Journey" isn't Journey. I'm finished trying to tell you guys you aren't gonna like it. Apparently a lot of you DO like it. Fine. All I'm asking is that you at least concede the point that it's not the Journey we could have had if they'd waited for Perry to recover. Give me that at least.]]> Coorsman NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 07:40:57 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5224#msg-5224 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5224#msg-5224
Carl C. wrote:
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same thing again. For the last time, Journey is NOT Journey without Perry. The


They're not? Have you forgotten that Perry was not an original member of the band? Technically, maybe they weren't Journey without Robert Fleichman.

I guess:
Genesis wasn't Genesis without Peter Gabriel
Van Halen wasn't VH without DLR
Marillion isn't Marillion without Fish
Styx isn't Styx without Dennis DeYoung
Wildest Dreams isn't WD without Vince

3 of the 5 members of Journey are long time members of more than 20 years in the band!

]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 06:30:05 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5214#msg-5214 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5214#msg-5214
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I have the Tyketto 'Shine" album and I have heard the latest Journey album and I cannot say they are that different that I would buy one over another.

you think the new Journey songs sound like the Tyketto Shine cd?!?!?!?!? Sure, Augeri does vocals on both, but the earlier stuff with Danny Vaughn is MUCH more Journey-ish than ANYTHING on Shine!!



I think at least Journey has decided to get a simililar vocalist, which with Journey I can not say is a bad thing..

Actually, out of who was considered Augeri was the least Perryish of all of them. Hugo and Kevin Chalfant were both considered--and they sound naturally a lot more like Perry does than Augeri who doesn't really sound like Perry at all when he isn't trying.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 04:39:23 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5211#msg-5211 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5211#msg-5211 Carl NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 04:26:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5210#msg-5210 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5210#msg-5210
JMO
Travis]]> Travis NoticeboardFri, 01 Sep 2000 04:25:27 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5208#msg-5208 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5208#msg-5208I saw a cover band in New Orleans about 2 years ago. The guitar player sounded just like Neal and the singer almost sounded like Steve Perry at times. The key word is "almost". When Journey came to New Orleans with the new singer a while back, I sure as hell wasn't going to pay $30 to see pretty much the same thing again. For the last time, Journey is NOT Journey without Perry. The way I understood it is that if they would have waited longer for Perry to heal none of this would have happened. I am not sure why they couldn't wait any longer. They must not have as much money left over from the old days as I thought they did. It seems sad to me that they actually went out and got a singer that tries to sound like Perry. They are now just a tribute band to what was once a great band. Greed gets the best of everyone from time to time. I just hope that nobody buys this new album thinking it is the band they once loved. That is just my opinion on this whole situation. I listened to some of the new stuff and it just doesn't do it for me. TBF was better, but it still didn't compare to the old stuff. The whole situation sucks and I wish they had not done this. They should have changed the name of the band. They are trying to cash in by using the name of one of the finest bands of our time. They only pray every night that the stupid public will not notice that Perry is gone. Monkeys and Bananas. Slimdiggity Thompson. I think you all know what I mean.
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Coorsman wrote:
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You can all go ahead and pretend that this "new" Journey is going to be just great. I'm finished trying to convince you otherwise.

Convince us of what? Personally I'll let my ears decide and from what I've heard, they like it! So no matter how much someone like you will try and "convince us otherwise", I'll just go enjoy it.
]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 21:26:36 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5163#msg-5163 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5163#msg-5163
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 14:10:07 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5162#msg-5162 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5162#msg-5162
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:45 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5159#msg-5159 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5159#msg-5159
God almighty, I don't understand you people. Yes, it is MY opinion that Journey without Perry is not Journey. Fine. My opinion. Have it your way.

You can all go ahead and pretend that this "new" Journey is going to be just great. I'm finished trying to convince you otherwise. ]]> Coorsman NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 12:41:34 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5157#msg-5157 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5157#msg-5157
Also, a lot of rock fans prefer the songs that Rolie is contributing vocals on (Rolie is not their original vocalist however) - just the Same Way, Anytime, Feeling that Way. Matter of fact, those 3 are pretty much all Rock radio will play here.

It is YOUR opinion that Perry is Journey. The Journey family is trying to still make Journey sounding music. Bad English was a different band - they didn't attempt to make Journey sounding music

By the way, in case you were confused, Oh Sherrie is NOT a Journey song, even though Perry is on vocals. Also, I Stand Alone is not a Journey song, even though Perry is on vocals. Journey has a new voice.....it has happened before.

Is Journey better without Perry? - hard to say, probably not better than Perry's best work with them, but they have no choice. And Arrival had damn well better be stronger than Raised on Radio and Trial by Fire. Those 2 albums are not played much by me, and Journey doesn't touch them much in concert either (some but not as much as others).

Will this Journey be successful? - hopefuly, but it will be quite the task, as many people don't appreciate music as much as the vocals, and Perry is the man with the vocals that they know.

Does the lengthy delay hurt Journey's respect among casual fans and rock fans - yepper, but they have no choice. The only thing the fans can hope for is better promoting leading up to it.]]> Eric NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 12:23:19 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5155#msg-5155 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5155#msg-5155 corey NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 12:07:39 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5153#msg-5153 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5153#msg-5153Now if you all could get over your loyalty or your hatred for change you might see it for what it really is GOOD MUSIC.]]> Gabe NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 11:52:54 +1100 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5127#msg-5127 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,5060,5127#msg-5127 Brian NoticeboardThu, 31 Aug 2000 07:00:03 +1100