Dropped thru the letterbox this morning and after 2 plays seems a real return to form after the rather overblown Spellbound. Could've done without the voiceover link sections which frankly are a bit naff. I'm not a great fan of concept albums (as I doubt that anyone will ever top Operation Mindcrime) but the material here stands on it's own merit without the storyline. I just hope now that they can find a live sound engineer without cloth ears for The Gods in Novemberhttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4597#msg-4597Sat, 25 May 2013 04:22:45 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4706#msg-4706 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4706#msg-4706
Let's leave it at that.]]> Surfpunk NoticeboardTue, 22 Aug 2000 03:17:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4689#msg-4689 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4689#msg-4689
If you look at how many different people post on here and it says webcache03b or 06b, and you will find you can't tell one from the other.

And you admitting you post under a different name is interesting, though whoever worked it out was lucky.

Anyway I am off to listen to Babylon again. yes I bought it, and yes I like it, but you do more harm than good with your comments.

And it's prick's like me who fill in twats like you....so don't be cheeky.

Pete]]> Pete NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 22:15:30 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4685#msg-4685 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4685#msg-4685
Re-read my previous post.......THINK a little........then realise where the criticism is actually aimed.]]> blm NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 20:59:31 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4683#msg-4683 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4683#msg-4683
And in some way his tone isn't wrong, because the comparison between TEN and STEELHOUSE LANE is really tough.

I love both bands and TEN really kicked ass at the GODS 1999. I would love to see them again in 2000 ! STEELHOUSE LANE, too ...
]]> DJ Klaus NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 19:18:25 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4681#msg-4681 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4681#msg-4681

Yawn......................

All I know is that I was told that the 'webcache03b' part relates to the actual computer, the rest to the area.

Funny how when I post using a different name, people jump up and post ISP's as proof it is the same person.

Also strange how Gav's reply has changed from 'webcache03b' (Tony's ISP) to 'webcache06b' .

Still, I may be overly defensive of my favoured genre, but at least I'm not an offensive prick like you !!





]]> blm NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 18:25:13 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4677#msg-4677 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4677#msg-4677I reaaly don't know how N&T have survived with a dim bastard like you at the helm.

webcache03b.cache.pol.co.uk means nothing, look at Nicky Baldrians posts, look at Tony M's. I know both Gav and Tony, they live 35 miles apart.

Tell us when the Gods is, I may come along and beat some sense into you, it may take a while to do it, but I am a man of substance and i feel it's my duty to do everybaody a favour and give you a traditional beating.

Read the above posts and then use your brain....SHUT THE FUCK UP.

]]> Pete NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 17:12:00 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4676#msg-4676 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4676#msg-4676
Gav]]> Gav NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 16:41:32 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4675#msg-4675 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4675#msg-4675>Date: 08-20-2000 11:16

>I have to agree. Ten have long missed the fucking boat!!! They deal the sounds of >a DEAD genre. And with NO new ideas! Maybe the next album will be called 'The >Plagiarist'. I'm sorry, but Gary is confusing reasonable influence with blatant theft!

>And before BLM and all start wetting their pants, that's my opinion and I don't >give a shite!!!!!

And ohhhh.....look. Tony and 'Gav' use the same computer. Gee.........]]> blm NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 14:57:59 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4660#msg-4660 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4660#msg-4660
Let people have their say then come in and make your point, take a leaf from Mr Ashtons book, he has a look...judges what needs to be said, then replies...once. bruce makes it a personal crusade to harang every bad poster on this (and every other) board.

I can understand him wanting to protect the label and bands, you all work hard to build up something you love, but Bruce, everytime you post an reply you make a bigger twat of yourself.

No-one ever see's Gary coming on here ranting about someones opinion, why, because he is a professional.

I have only really seen what the close dealings of record label really mean in the last couple of months, and I really DO understand your over-protective attitude, but you go a bit too far.

I haven't heard Babylon yet so I shall reserve my judgement until then, but if I don't like it I will say it when and where I want to, if i like it then I shall do the same...and Mark if I don't like the production I will keep that bit to myself LOL.

See yawl

Tony M]]> Tony M NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 07:21:50 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4655#msg-4655 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4655#msg-4655You forgot track 7 being Cat Stevens' 'Wild World']]> blm NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 04:42:14 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4652#msg-4652 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4652#msg-4652Track1 Led Zep Immegrant song
Track5 Signal Wake up you little fool
Track9 Thin Lizzy Emerald
Track 10 Theme from the ***^%$£ Godfather
As if eggbuond....OOPPS Sorry .......Spellbounds blatant Whitesnake Rip off wasn't enough new we get this.
Ten used to be a band with a great future, now they just look to other people's pasts.
Who knows by the time they drag themselves onto the stage at Maximes for their only show of the year (again) they may have started playing George Formby covers. Judging from this its likely........
Now just watch Mark & BLM wet themselves
]]> Stevo NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 04:24:08 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4649#msg-4649 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4649#msg-4649
2)What's in a name anyway? Plenty of people know just exactly who I am.

3) I've bought every TEN album so far on day one. I LIKE the band but that does not prevent me from being objective about them. Maybe you didn't like my criticism of the attention John Halliwell gets but anyone at any of the Gods performances so far can tell he has, at least, been well down in the mix and after Gary's extremely unfair admission that he didn't really play on the albums in HARD ROXX some time ago I just feel he deserves a better shot at it. What do you think?

4) You said " Please don`t tell me that the opening track on their album (Steelhouse Lane) is anything other than a blatant steal from half a dozen different GIANT songs. By the way, I love the band, but to say they are doing anything other than rehashing old ideas is plain silly". Er...excuse me but even though I like TEN to deny that Gary Hughes comes from the 'cut and paste' school of songwriting is just denying the truth. He's not alone though, Jon Bon, Noel Gallagher, Ginger Wildheart, they're all in there too, so he's in good company.

5) I would love TEN to break big. I've done my share of putting several people who never knew this scene existed on to them and other bands in this genre. Even some others on N&T (Shock! Horror!!) However, the sales you predict, while sounding realistic, are a drop in the ocean of what it is going to take to achieve anything other than 'cult' status for the band in the UK particularly. A good tour support slot would be the best shot because radio is a lost cause. Which is a shame really for what is, to all intents and purposes, 'radio rock'!

6) I'm glad you were provoked enough to reply to the post in the first place. Music IS a passionate subject and as the owner of the label I would EXPECT you to feel passionately about the band. Otherwise why sign them? TEN are a big fish in a small pond at N&T. Signed to a major they would probably just end up being a tax loss. Having said that, if the scene changed a la '86 would you let them go?

7) I'm bored now! Might listen to 'Babylon' again!!!! :)

]]> Surfpunk NoticeboardMon, 21 Aug 2000 03:57:22 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4642#msg-4642 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4642#msg-4642
You say "You could start by plugging John Halliwell in for a change and by not faking the backing vocals!!"

What a pointless criticism that is. For one, John Halliwell IS plugged in and singing live. TEN simply choose to mix the live vocals with some from backing tapes because it is physically impossible to recreate the vocals from their albums without doing this and they want to give the fans as close a sound to the album as possible. Are you honestly suggesting that this makes them less of a live band? If so, then what are / were QUEENSRYCHE, RUSH, FM, DARE, EUROPE, DEF LEPPARD, QUEEN etc, etc?

You also say "Oh yeah, and when you 'produce' your sales figures don't forget to compare the UK sales against the other territories so we can all see just exactly where this genre is alive and where it is dead."

Well, the initial shipment of "Babylon" in Europe is going to be around 25,000 copies, with 2,500 in the UK. We expect to reach around 4,000 sales in the UK in the end.
Let`s see if any other bands in this genre are sellingg anything like that amount in the UK. I seriously doubt it, so where the "missed the boat" nonsense that someone posted earlier comes from I really don`t know.
Isn`t it about time that the internet was used for something positive rather than a bunch of anoraks slagging off something because it doesn`t sound like `their` particular pet like.

This site is in existence because of Andrew`s love of Melodic Rock. As such the site is all about that particular genre. I`m pretty sure that his intention is for that genre of music to be promoted in a positive fashion. I`m not saying that evreyone should blindly buy and love every album within the genre, of course that would be useless as well. But, why do a select few, such as ingo and gav post so irregularly and when they do it is negative. I wouldn`t mind but their criticisms are so wildly inaccurate and juvenile that they must be the work of pretty slow minds. To say that TEN have missed the boat when they are clearly the most sucessful band on any of the indies and to say that you want `real` bands like STEELHOUSE LANE, who are clearly a studio project with no more originality than TEN anyway. Please don`t tell me that the opening track on their album is anything other than a blatant steal from half a dozen different GIANT songs. By the way, I love the band, but to say they are doing anything other than rehashing old ideas is plain silly.

And also, as my partner Bruce rightly states, before anyone comes on here saying that I or he shouldn`t come up here and get involved, that is bullshit. I`m as big a fan as anyone else, more so than most, so I have a right to say what I think. I also have a vested interest. If I came into anyone else`s place of work and slagged them off inaccurately ( even if it was MY opinion ) then they would be well within their rights to defend themselves. As such, it is within my rights to defend myself. It is also because both myself and Bruce care so much about what we are doing that we DO get involved in these arguments.

Bye for now,
Mark


















]]> Mark Ashton NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 23:05:37 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4641#msg-4641 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4641#msg-4641
John is ALWAYS plugged in (and, yes, turned on! :) )
As for the backing vocals.....as Gary is the only singer in the band, then yes, the backing vocals are mainly on A-Dat. No-one is trying to hide that fact, and most bands do it (unless they have several good lead vocalists on board).

>Oh yeah, and when you 'produce' your sales figures don't forget to compare the >UK sales against the other territories so we can all see just exactly where this >genre is alive and where it is dead.

Again, everyone knows the scene is bad in the UK. The point being made was to compare the sales figures with OTHER melodic bands, not other territories.

But if we are all going to sit here and cry that 'the scene is dead' then why don't Andrew and all the MHR indie labels, radio shows, mags and fanzines just stop what they are doing and pack it in. Then the scene WILL be dead. But maybe ******** like you will be happy.

]]> blm NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 22:59:26 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4640#msg-4640 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4640#msg-4640
What tone?

I am not the one swearing on the board. I am merely asking clarification of what I consider stupid statements. Whether I am part of a record company or magazine does not mean I cannot do this.

Regarding my magazine comment - ooops, I forgot about Fireworks. What I was meaning was that the reviews so far have been amazing (surprising even us), so how could the band have missed the boat?? And if someone thinks melodic rock is a dead genre, then maybe they shouldn't be coming onto this site?

As regards tours......yup, with you on that one. And that is the main reason why we haven't been able to confirm the Gods dates yet, because it needs to be planned in with the Gods in Rome and a Ten/Bob Catley/Emeral Rain tour of Europe, which is becoming a major head-ache to plan.]]> blm NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 22:23:20 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4639#msg-4639 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4639#msg-4639
Oh yeah, and when you 'produce' your sales figures don't forget to compare the UK sales against the other territories so we can all see just exactly where this genre is alive and where it is dead.]]> The Reaper NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 22:16:21 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4638#msg-4638 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4638#msg-4638What about it?

]]> Kev NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 21:57:56 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4637#msg-4637 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4637#msg-4637 Kev NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 21:50:23 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4633#msg-4633 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4633#msg-4633And I value the opinions of the European rock magazines rather more than yours.
Don't like it? Don't buy it.

However........'They deal in the sounds of a DEAD genre'?? What genre is that?
Melodic Rock? Hmmmmmmmm.......what's this site called again???.....

'Missed the fucking boat?' Again, hmmmmmmm......let's wait for the sales figures to come through and see what boat has been missed.

And as much as I love Steelhouse Lane, for a 'real' band, wouldn't it be nice to see some 'real' live shows and 'real' tours??? ]]> blm NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 19:50:10 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4626#msg-4626 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4626#msg-4626
Andrew wrote:
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Ok, That said, I still love it for what it is...a mix of the first and a mix of the last.
I am not going to be too hard on the fact I have haerd it before.
If you like Ten and Gary Hughes, you should like this too.

Best regards,
Andrew.



Well, I might like it. For me, the 1st and last cds were by far the strongest ones they have done...

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 14:42:05 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4620#msg-4620 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4620#msg-4620 Kieran NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 11:47:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4617#msg-4617 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4617#msg-4617I am not going to be too hard on the fact I have haerd it before.
If you like Ten and Gary Hughes, you should like this too.

Best regards,
Andrew.]]> Andrew NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 11:31:25 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4616#msg-4616 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4616#msg-4616
And before BLM and all start wetting their pants, that's my opinion and I don't give a shite!!!!!]]> Gav NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 11:16:51 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4610#msg-4610 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4610#msg-4610 Ingo NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 05:07:20 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4599#msg-4599 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4599#msg-4599Review up tomorrow I hope....LOVE it!

Regards,
Andrew.]]> Andrew NoticeboardSun, 20 Aug 2000 00:02:15 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4597#msg-4597 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4597,4597#msg-4597 Kev NoticeboardSat, 19 Aug 2000 23:08:52 +1000