NAPSTER forever!!!

RE: NAPSTER forever!!!

DJ Klaus — Mon, 21 Aug 2000 19:08:07 +1000

I do not work for radio nor did I ever in my past.

It's fine if you use Napster for preview, I do the same, but that was not the initial point. Vince called to rip off artists and labels and that's simply shit.

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Snake65 — Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:28:29 +1000

I have to jump in on this issue. Forthe most part I agree with Vince.
But why are the record companies or Metallica crying foul? Just as a previous point brought out......the need for record companies will be a thing of the past. A major label is having trouble keeping all these lush offices worldwide and that's one reason they were busted with price fixing. With the internet and Napstar an artist can sell their own music with the free advertizing the internet brings. The record company of the future will be a wherhouse with the CD making machines and computers to fill orders.
My other pro Napstar and for this I feel no shame in downloading songs. Rare tracks! I just downloaded 6 Def Leppard songs. Now while I love the band, have All offical releases and if they ever put out a b-sides cd I would buy it. But don't cry if you won't release rare stuff. This will also send fear to the record industry. If an artist has a few left over songs they could sell it via the website, sorry three piece suit no new BMW!
Napstar is also where I just downloaded new Rob Halford. After TWO I would have to hear it first before buying. I liked it and bought the CD! I downloaded off Napstar the whole new Journey........LOVE IT and will buy it! Get IT?!
Last point. If you went to napstar and looked up everybody on it a small percent of people have whole albums, most are previewing songs before spending the money.
And DJ, if you work for radio and radio wasn't sheep to MTV and had the balls to play all rock music I could "preview" songs on radio. But since radio dosen't have the balls......

RE: NAPSTER forever!!!

sfk kurt — Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:12:29 +1000

DJ Klaus wrote:
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>Not only majors release crap for $20

Right on point #1!

>Who are you to judge what bands deserves to be ripped off and which one not ?

Right on point #2! How about bands like Marv 3, Neve, Mars Electric and the newer breed of melodic rock that ARE on major labels?

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DJ Klaus — Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:26:57 +1000

> So it is acceptable for the major labels to conspire against the general public, "fix" >the prices of cds (so you are paying $20 for a totally crap cd and being deceived in >the
> process), shut down perfectly legitimate online services that help bring the music to >the fans, and undermine technological advancements which have helped artists
> around the world get their music released without having to go through the major >label bureaucracies??

Not only majors release crap for $20

> If you think this is acceptable, maybe you are in the wrong business!

Everybody has to judge for himself if something is worth the price or not. But stealing it because it's too expensive in someones mind is illegal, or do you steal a BMW just because you consider it too expensive ?

> And regarding Frontline, why shouldn't they search for the best deal they can get? I >personally think "Right Attitude" is one of the top 5 cds of ALL TIME and certainly
> deserves the same amount (and much more) money and success than the likes of >Journey, Foreigner, Rick Springfield, etc

no comment on that. You're living in the same strange world like other musicians

> And you SAY you got Heroes II from the band...I highly doubt the band would want >bootleg copies of their unreleased album floating around. That's the same as saying
> Journey wanted their songs to be distributed on the Internet (I AM NOT saying >whether it is OK or not to download their songs, however)

I get many demos from bands who want see their stuff reviewed. I do not bootleg them or did I send you a copy when you begged for one ?

> And finally, Fair Warning are signed worldwide to Frontiers, which is not a major >label. In Japan, yes they are signed to a major but they hardly fall into the same
> category as Metallica, Eminem, etc. (the bands that deserve to be ripped off)

So read your first comment again. You said every major should be ripped off. So you have to rip off Fair Warning, too. Who are you to judge what bands deserves to be ripped off and which one not ?

DJ

RE: NAPSTER forever!!!

Vince Viani — Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:15:24 +1000

Frank,

You rock!! Those three statements (which I could not quote) are brilliant! I too would like to see Gary Hughes become a household name...but WITHOUT the major labels.

I think it would be the end of the world if the major labels got their hands on Melodic Hard Rock. It would just mean the demise of the music we love so much.

I agree that services like Napster are great because they allow artists to get their music out to the public without having to deal with record labels! (namely the major labels)

As for the RIAA, the only people they are protecting are the major labels and the rich guys who don't care about music - only profits. So as far as I am concerned, the RIAA can go to hell!

That's right...they had better be scared! Because musicians have found a way (a better way) of recording music with few expenses and marketing their music without having to get ripped off.

Now, artists can focus on making MUSIC instead of dealing with label politics and that scares the rich guys....that's right!

coming at you with a vengeance!!

Cheers

Vince

Frank wrote:
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Vince,

I couldn't have said it better myself.

For those of you that have climbed on to the napster soapbox...please stand down. There couldn't be a better thing that has happened to the recording industry.

People can now record their own CD's, market them and tour --- without the help of any record company. Combine that with the fact that there is a digital music format small enough to email, and you've got a serious problem for the record companies. Imagine this:

*Artists no long need to sign slavery contracts to get advance money to record an album. 3-5 thousand dollars of computer and sound equipment will do the trick.

*Artists no longer need exclusive distrobution deals to get their music out to the people. The internet can do it for them.

The RIAA sees this as a serious threat to their way of life as they should.

I use napster -- proudly. I, for one, can preview major label crap before I buy. It's far easier for me to justify spending money that I would....

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Vince Viani — Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:10:21 +1000

So it is acceptable for the major labels to conspire against the general public, "fix" the prices of cds (so you are paying $20 for a totally crap cd and being deceived in the process), shut down perfectly legitimate online services that help bring the music to the fans, and undermine technological advancements which have helped artists around the world get their music released without having to go through the major label bureaucracies??

If you think this is acceptable, maybe you are in the wrong business!

And regarding Frontline, why shouldn't they search for the best deal they can get? I personally think "Right Attitude" is one of the top 5 cds of ALL TIME and certainly deserves the same amount (and much more) money and success than the likes of Journey, Foreigner, Rick Springfield, etc

How can you blame the band for wanting to better themselves?

And you SAY you got Heroes II from the band...I highly doubt the band would want bootleg copies of their unreleased album floating around. That's the same as saying Journey wanted their songs to be distributed on the Internet (I AM NOT saying whether it is OK or not to download their songs, however)

And finally, Fair Warning are signed worldwide to Frontiers, which is not a major label. In Japan, yes they are signed to a major but they hardly fall into the same category as Metallica, Eminem, etc. (the bands that deserve to be ripped off)

Cheers

Vince

DJ Klaus wrote:
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As I told you, it makes no difference if an artist sells 10 or 10 million copies. Theft is theft if you get his music without his permission or paying for it.

Regarding Frontline I never said I dislike the album I just said the guys are ignorant towards their fans as they demanded too much money for their "Heroes II" and I guess there are some people on this board who can verify this.

And for the record, I didn't bootleg the album, I got a copy from the band. Guess who was begging for a bootleg ???

Keep in mind that Fair Warning IS on a major label and you encourage people to rip them off right now ....

DJ

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Frank — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:02:41 +1000

Vince,

I couldn't have said it better myself.

For those of you that have climbed on to the napster soapbox...please stand down. There couldn't be a better thing that has happened to the recording industry.

People can now record their own CD's, market them and tour --- without the help of any record company. Combine that with the fact that there is a digital music format small enough to email, and you've got a serious problem for the record companies. Imagine this:

*Artists no long need to sign slavery contracts to get advance money to record an album. 3-5 thousand dollars of computer and sound equipment will do the trick.

*Artists no longer need exclusive distrobution deals to get their music out to the people. The internet can do it for them.

The RIAA sees this as a serious threat to their way of life as they should.

I use napster -- proudly. I, for one, can preview major label crap before I buy. It's far easier for me to justify spending money that I would otherwise spend on MTM and Now and Then releases, if I at least heard the CD before I buy it.

Folks, embrace this technology. It's what will bring good music back to the US -- Underground music will rise to an acceptance level that is well, acceptable. Any artist left fighting for the RIAA will lose. Astists need to harness this technology and ebrace it. They will eventually win out.

If the RIAA wins, and gets laws passed preventing the proliferation of digital music --- we will find outselves in the dark ages of music -- being force fed Britany Spears and NSync. Anyone that claims this is theft is right. It is -- but it is what will force a change in the music industry -- which is what is more important right now!

The genie is out of the bottle here. No sense trying to force it back in. Let's get our three wishes instead.

I for one would have these as my three wishes:

1) Gary Hughes becomes a household name :)
2) Kurt Kopain never shoots himself, instead he becomes a street bum in New York City...getting pissed on, regularly by wall street tycoons. Alternative music suffers an early death in 1993...and the Recording Industry apologizes for the brief idotic move to alternarock and promises that it'll never happen again.
3) Sheryl Crow, Lars Ulrich and all napster hating musicians will get just what they deserve. True hatred from their own fans!

well -- #2 aint gonna happen. But 3 is a good bet, while 1 is a fucking long shot. Oh well...a guy can dream.

-F
3)

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DJ Klaus — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:21:12 +1000

As I told you, it makes no difference if an artist sells 10 or 10 million copies. Theft is theft if you get his music without his permission or paying for it.

Regarding Frontline I never said I dislike the album I just said the guys are ignorant towards their fans as they demanded too much money for their "Heroes II" and I guess there are some people on this board who can verify this.

And for the record, I didn't bootleg the album, I got a copy from the band. Guess who was begging for a bootleg ???

Keep in mind that Fair Warning IS on a major label and you encourage people to rip them off right now ....

DJ

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DJ Klaus — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:06:52 +1000

Maybe I wasn't precise enough. I meant it is theft if you like and keep the MP3 without getting the original. I, too, appreciate the posibillity to check out certain releases or get unreleased stuff via Napster.

I am sure getting many promo copies, but I believe I'm still spending more money on CDs monthly than most other guys in a whole year ;-)

Take care
Klaus

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Vince Viani — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:05:13 +1000

Hi Dave,

I agree with you, and although I have only used Napster once or twice (and it was very recently), I agree that it is a great way to preview songs

Why on earth should we pay $19 for a crap album??? That's robbery!!

At least with the independent labels, you are ASSURED of a good product.

And yes, although Rubber is one of the worst albums I have ever heard, every harem Scarem cd I have in my posession I have BOUGHT.

Cheers

Vince

Orangehole wrote:
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Hahah..Easy for you to say Klaus, you and Andrew are probably getting most of your newer released cds free of charge. Its easy for the fat cats to say they are not hungry. I use Napster as a way to preview songs without laying out the cash for a shitty cd which is overhyped. Take for instance that new Rob halford cd, I downloaded 6 cuts off napster and well i thought it really sucked saving my hard earned money for better cds. On the other hand I also got a few Rafa martin mp3s but after hearing them quickly bought an original of this from Georg at AOR Heaven (Free plug). I am tired of spending my money on overhyped crap. If a cd is truly good, people will still buy the originals. I personally don;t care if 16yr olds trade Eminem mp3s and Eminem doesnt see any proceeds. Plus for the most part, there is nobody on Napster trading entire cds in our ....

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Vince Viani — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:58:54 +1000

Hi Klaus,

It seems we are back to our regularly scheduled programming...your incessant ramblings!

You tell me what is theft...having an artist sell 3 million records and still having them owe you money (which is what the major labels do), cheating the fans time and again (which is what the major labels do), and brainwashing the general public (which is what the major labels do)

You tell me what is theft...paying $19 for a totally crap cd!!

We shouldnt have to put up with lower standards!

You shouldn't have to pay for such rubbish...let those clowns at the major labels get their acts together and stop ripping fans off and then maybe the fans will start buying cds again!

And about Frontline, weren't you the one who trashed them time and again, called Stephan Kaemerrer an "IDIOT", BOOTLEGGED "heroes 2" and bragged about it.... and when "right Attitude" was released you praised the album?

Now tell me, who is the thief now??

Cheers

Vince

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sfk kurt — Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:55:27 +1000

Orangehole wrote:
>Plus for the most part, there is nobody on Napster trading entire cds in our ....

NOT TRUE! Get yourself Napigator and try the HardRock server...

I've managed to hunt down rare stuff from Stan Bush, Toto, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and the Extreme medley from the Freddie Mercury Tribute. And there are MANY full albums on there as well. There's many more but so little time...even with my cable modem.

RE: NAPSTER forever!!!

Orangehole — Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:01:22 +1000

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Hahah..Easy for you to say Klaus, you and Andrew are probably getting most of your newer released cds free of charge. Its easy for the fat cats to say they are not hungry. I use Napster as a way to preview songs without laying out the cash for a shitty cd which is overhyped. Take for instance that new Rob halford cd, I downloaded 6 cuts off napster and well i thought it really sucked saving my hard earned money for better cds. On the other hand I also got a few Rafa martin mp3s but after hearing them quickly bought an original of this from Georg at AOR Heaven (Free plug). I am tired of spending my money on overhyped crap. If a cd is truly good, people will still buy the originals. I personally don;t care if 16yr olds trade Eminem mp3s and Eminem doesnt see any proceeds. Plus for the most part, there is nobody on Napster trading entire cds in our genre of music. Usually just a track or 2 if any at all. Mostly all popular "Sheep Public" music. I have found some really cool Harem Scarem Demo's via napster which i never could find in a cd shop. I have bought originals of almost every Harem Scarem cd and i think laying out all that kind of money gives me the right to get the demos from Napster, especially after this dismal Rubber sellout crap which set me back $30.

Napster is useful but i think its a ticking bomb and will evetually be shut down by the labels

Dave

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DJ Klaus — Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:38:08 +1000

Stop spreading shit !

Getting stuff through Napster without getting the originals is theft and people make no difference if the band is on a major or not.
When is you stuff available for download ?

BTW, Fair Warning is on a major label ... at least in Japan.

DJ

P.S.: Wasn't it you who anounced Frontline's Heroes as the best album ever ........ just after listening to 3 songs on a tape ???

NAPSTER forever!!!

Vince Viani — Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:20:27 +1000

Hi all,

Has anyone heard about several attorney generals in the States whom are suing the major labels for raising the price of their cds and engaging in unfair business practices?

I heard about this the other day. I don't know if this is true...but if it is....you've got to be happy about this!!

Finally...somebody with the courage to stand up those bloody thieves...I say it's about time the major labels felt as we consumers have felt for over 10 years...RIPPED OFF!

I say Napster has every right to continue its service even if the major labels are getting ripped off. It serves them right for releasing crap

Maybe if they released better quality products people would actually be interested in buying cds again? (sarcastic mode on).

I mean, who in their right mind would pay $19 for a cd with one good song??!!?!?

To anger the labels even more, people should continue spreading Metallica songs on Napster....I say people should rob them blind as they have been doing to their fans over the years

Now that people are able to produce great quality music on their PCs (thanks to technology) AND market their cds online, the major labels are scared. They had better be...with the bollocks they've been releasing over the years, they should be concerned that artists do not need them anymore!

As the Internet becomes more popular, most marketing will be done on the Internet and soon artists will not even need the major labels to market their cds as much as they needed them before

People should continue using services like Napster and ripping off the major labels...let them come after us one by one!!! They are fighting a losing battle!

Even if you don't like Metallica, download the songs and let them sit on your hard drive....and laugh at Lars Ulrich's ugly dwarf face all day long!!

I will continue buying releases from the INDEPENDENT labels and from the ARTISTS themselves and supporting REAL music. Long live the underground AOR scene and I pray it always stays underground. It is because of its underground stature that the music has had such high quality over the past 10 years

I am content because I know that the money spent on artists on the independent labels like MTM, Now&Then, Z, and from the unsigned artists is money well spent

Let the major labels sit and worry...whilst we fans are enjoying the greatest music on earth and rejoicing because we get the opportunity to listen to TRUE musicians who are loyal to their TRUE fans and sit 10 feet away from them at pubs and small clubs

So I can sit down right now, with a nice cold pint of Newcastle Brown and enjoy FAIR WARNING tunes (the best money ever spent) and smile whilst the major labels are worrying about Napster! Ha!

Cheers

Vince
NP: Fair Warning - "Crazy" (as perfect a melodic hard rock song as you can get!)