I just want to know what can happen when visitor counts reach 2000000. Andrew it's only two or three months away... Regards Susumuhttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4167#msg-4167Sun, 26 May 2013 16:15:01 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4349#msg-4349 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4349#msg-4349
But then again, there were some big bands that I don't understand how they were popular: Slaughter, Cinderella, Faster Pussycat, LA Guns, BulletBoys, etc.

Now, remember, this is strictly my opinion. The best of the 80s hair revolution were things like Crue, Skid Row, GNR, Billy Squier, Firehouse, Poison, Bon Jovi...the bands that spawned all the imitators.]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardSun, 13 Aug 2000 06:12:06 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4342#msg-4342 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4342#msg-4342But it kinda still bums me out when bands like BAD, HE or D2... never reached the same audience as say Cinderella. just because they came two years too late.. They certainly had the musical talent.
But I guess you're right, the media (MTV, radio) wanted new darlings....

/Daniel
http://come.to/heavensedge

]]> Daniel NoticeboardSun, 13 Aug 2000 02:11:01 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4334#msg-4334 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4334#msg-4334]]> sfk kurt NoticeboardSat, 12 Aug 2000 22:06:11 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4332#msg-4332 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4332#msg-4332Hey everybody! Just pick up Tyketto's "Don't Come Easy" or "Strength In
Numbers" and let Danny Vaughn blow you away! Or pick up Hardline's "Double
Eclipse", Wildside's "Under The Influence" or Bangalore Choir's "On Target"
and let these power vocalists rock your world.....]]> Rocker Dave NoticeboardSat, 12 Aug 2000 20:57:34 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4306#msg-4306 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4306#msg-4306Yeah, that's called Mariah Carey Syndrome.....a singer has a fantastic voice, so he promptly decides he/she is going to sprinkle it all over the entire album in the form of endless, overlong ooooohhhhs and ahhhhhhs and mmmmmms, and on and so forth. This of course, makes it less about the song and more about the perfomer. But well, the people who are obsessed with these MC Syndrome singers love it when the song is more about their idol showing off their voice unnecessarily.

To me, it's just so much wanking!

Cheers,
Jack.]]> Jack! NoticeboardSat, 12 Aug 2000 06:26:46 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4264#msg-4264 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4264#msg-4264
And I've never heard Tyketto's 'Shine' (haven't got any Tyketto albums ; all I know by Tyketto is 'Forever Young', which got some circulation on MTV at the time when they still had "Headbangers' Ball"), so basically all I know that's sung by Augeri is the Armageddon track... and I love it!

What bothered me most about Journey so far (and what became even more evident on Perry's solo album FTLOSM) is that Perry - although I have to admit he has a good voice - apparently wants to have his voice all over the album, and those 'ooh's and 'aah's and the stretching of words all over the place just give me the creeps! I like to hear some instruments as well, Steve P!

I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this...?

Greetz,

Sven.
]]> Sven NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 16:29:49 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4248#msg-4248 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4248#msg-4248Anyway now on to that Journey thing. I really don't have anything against Augeri's voice. It's not great, but it's not that bad either.... It's just the Tallstories songwriting I hate. For me those songs just go nowhere. Someone mentioned the Shadowking album, Yep, guess that one is a love or hate album as well. For the record I love that album :-) If I want softer AOR, I listen to Aldo Nova or Reo Speedwagon. Basically I just don't like the songwriting in Journey or Steve Perrys voice either. But of course this is all a matter of taste.
Hey Kurt, love your newsletter, but seems like we have some different opinions :-) I definetly don't agree with your views that Babylon AD were among the bands that killed Melodic rock. I think they had great songs, and were not relying on an image. I would compare them to Tesla actually... Not trying to start anything here. Wouldn't it be boring if everybody liked the same bands :-)

/D]]> Daniel NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 09:19:55 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4247#msg-4247 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4247#msg-4247
Jack wrote:
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I feel Augeri is an outstanding vocalist in his own right. Like Shadow King, Tall Stories is one of those albums where opinions are sharply divided....a love-it-or-hate-it CD. Like Robert, I was very diappointed by that CD (save a song or two like Wild on the Run) and felt it was nothing special, but you have to give credit where it's due: Augeri is incredible.


I think "restless one" was the song that did it for me. TS is a love-it-or-hate-it cd, and generally speaking, I'm in the love category--there are some gems on there.



So while I agree with Robert that the songwriting on Tall Stories was below par, that's certainly no way to measure Augeri
because I'm sure Schon/Cain handled the bulk of the songwriting on Arival anyway. And if it were a good measure of talent, just
look at Perry's shitty solo albums (which have a few exceptions like "You Better Wait" but are pretty putrid overall). He's still an
amzing vocalist, he just can't write better-than-average material.

yes....unfortunately, Perry's solo cds are generally average with some really good songs and other filler material.....and wouldn't even be as good as they are if you didn't have someone of his caliber on vocals. Perry's vox went a long way to making some of those songs listenable, but you have to have a decent song to start with because he can only carry it so far.



As for the Journey - Bad English/Hardline comparison, it's really not fair. Journey has had a far longer track record. Plus, they're
considered one of the initiators of AOR along with other old bands like Foreigner, if not *the* main initiator. So Journey is a band
with more heritage to the degree that it might be considered sacrilegous not to like them. But I feel that Bad English is a better
band.....they're just more consistent. In only two albums, they maintained a better level of songwriting than Journey did.

hmm.....I actually thought the BE cds were a bit patchy. I'd give the 1st cd the edge even though there were some really good songs on the 2nd. Combine the best moments of both and you would get a really good cd, but, IMO, the output didn't match the talent in the band.



Bad
English had an awesome potential and wouln't have ever realeased a just-okay album like Trial By Fire.

I kinda like TBF--it's one of those growers that is good once you get it but it takes a bit of time. It had a few of their best on there, but also had a few songs that probably could have been lost without a problem.



Don't get me wrong,
Jounrey has its marvelous gems, but also its fair share of garbage and medicority. I feel that if Bad English or Hardline, with only 3
albums between them, had been given a chance to develop over time like Journey, they could have been better. I'm not saying
they would have been more popular than Journey, just more consistent.

Hardline was very good though. I do agree though that neither BE nor Hardline probably ever reached their potential. I would love to have heard another album by either group. Some stuff like "Rebel Say a Prayer" off the BE Backlash and a few songs off the 1st one (ie "The Restless Ones") showed a lot of potential that was never really fulfilled.
Hardline seemed to gell a bit better and one can wonder what might have happened on the 2nd cd....

Adding to it, you also have The Storm as a Journey-offshoot which seemed to work very well also, and I would probably rate Eye of the Storm as more solid than any Journey cd released--add a slightly more energetic production, maybe one or two rockers, lose "Livin' It Up" and you would about have the perfect AOR cd.

Any way you look at it though, the quality of the Journey side-projects (not counting Perry's solo stuff) just proved the huge amount of talent in the band.

Kevin
]]> Kevin NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 09:05:18 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4238#msg-4238 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4238#msg-4238I feel Augeri is an outstanding vocalist in his own right. Like Shadow King, Tall Stories is one of those albums where opinions are sharply divided....a love-it-or-hate-it CD. Like Robert, I was very diappointed by that CD (save a song or two like Wild on the Run) and felt it was nothing special, but you have to give credit where it's due: Augeri is incredible.

Like Dee, I have read many reviews of Journey live with Augeri and they have been unanimously positive. The people who dislike - dare I say despise? - Augeri are Steve Perry die hards, but there really is no remedy for them. They're so fervent in their love of the Duck that they're blinded to Augeri's talent. Like the Portugese guy Hugo who was on the AOR list....he was nuts about the fact that Perry is of Portugese descent and was rabidly adamant about Perry being God and Augeri a hopeless sack of shit. I'm not bashing Perry, he sings like an angel, I just don't understand the fixation with him....

So while I agree with Robert that the songwriting on Tall Stories was below par, that's certainly no way to measure Augeri because I'm sure Schon/Cain handled the bulk of the songwriting on Arival anyway. And if it were a good measure of talent, just look at Perry's shitty solo albums (which have a few exceptions like "You Better Wait" but are pretty putrid overall). He's still an amzing vocalist, he just can't write better-than-average material. Same with Augeri, no reason to hate him. But as long as Perry has die hards in his pocket (mostly housewives enamored with his syrupy Bolton-ish ballads), some people will be prejudiced against Augeri.

As for the Journey - Bad English/Hardline comparison, it's really not fair. Journey has had a far longer track record. Plus, they're considered one of the initiators of AOR along with other old bands like Foreigner, if not *the* main initiator. So Journey is a band with more heritage to the degree that it might be considered sacrilegous not to like them. But I feel that Bad English is a better band.....they're just more consistent. In only two albums, they maintained a better level of songwriting than Journey did. Bad English had an awesome potential and wouln't have ever realeased a just-okay album like Trial By Fire. Don't get me wrong, Jounrey has its marvelous gems, but also its fair share of garbage and medicority. I feel that if Bad English or Hardline, with only 3 albums between them, had been given a chance to develop over time like Journey, they could have been better. I'm not saying they would have been more popular than Journey, just more consistent.

Cheers,
Jack.]]> Jack NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 06:59:37 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4236#msg-4236 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4236#msg-4236
'Shine' was different, more bluesy, and Augeri sounded a little like Ray Gillen in places.It's testament to the man's versatility that he did TALL STORIES, then the change to 'Shine' and can now adapt to fit into JOURNEY and I believe he DOES fit into JOURNEY. But if you're not a fan to start with I don't suppose he will make any difference to you anyway.

TALL STORIES I really need to dig out and listen to again buy my heads not really in that space at the moment if you know what I mean.]]> Surfpunk NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 06:54:31 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4230#msg-4230 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4230#msg-4230And I have to say I've seen Tall Stories and thought the show and Augeri's performance was fantastic, as I'm sure his performance will be when I see him with Journey.
Steve A. is an individual just as Steve P.is. And in his own way will definitley fit in with Journey. I don't expect him in any way to be "like" Perry and hope that he's not. I'm ready to be blown away by the amazing performance that Augeri is capable of.
Oh, and I've heard NOTHING at all bad from ANYONE who has seen them. Including die hard Journey fans.
Just from you. I hope you can give him another chance.]]> dee NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 02:58:23 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4226#msg-4226 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4226#msg-4226 sfk kurt NoticeboardFri, 11 Aug 2000 01:32:38 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4220#msg-4220 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4220#msg-4220
While I may be the complete opposite of you for the most part (I own every Journey CD ever released--pre-Perry, bootlegs, etc.), I do agree with you on one thing: I hate the Tall Stories CD. As a matter of fact, I can't stand Steve Augeri all together. I saw Journey twice with Augeri on vocals and, to be honest, he has less than great stage presence, and while his voice his fine, I don't particularly care for his style. The proof is all there. The Tall Stories disc was watered-down AOR with easily forgettable songs. How about Shine? Anybody remember this gem? Augeri replaced Danny Vaughn as Tyketto's vocalist. Shine was the result. It was awful. It wasn't so much his vocals as it was the songs. The songwriting on both of those albums (Tall Stories and Shine) was horribly below par.

I'm still looking forward to Arrival and I'm sure Augeri will do his best Steve Perry impression. However, his previous efforts are best left in the past.

Here's to Augeri's bright(er) future,
Robert]]> Robert NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 23:21:46 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4211#msg-4211 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4211#msg-4211
If you like Hardline (yes, it is better than over 1/2 of Journey's material) and don't care for Journey, I was wondering if you were familiar with Journey's Frontier's - the 2nd side. 2 songs I think you would enjoy are "edge of the blade" and "troubled child". Also, Neal did great work with Hagar in HSAS that you may enjoy.

Benno - a meager 380 CD's, I thought I was a big shot with 200....I must be an amateur!]]> Eric NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 12:50:55 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4207#msg-4207 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4207#msg-4207
Kevin

P.S. Yea, the Hardline cd is a killer even though I would prefer someone else on vox (not a huge Johnny Gioeli fan)]]> Kevin NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 11:23:44 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4204#msg-4204 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4204#msg-4204
Cheers and beers

Benno]]> Benno NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 10:37:33 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4175#msg-4175 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4175#msg-4175By the way, am I the only one on this board that doesn't own a single Journey album? Sorry but I never liked them, and I doubt Augeri will change that. Tallstories was exactly what I hate with AOR. Well before you guys start to tear me apart, I own both Bad English and the Hardline albums, and I find them truly great. Oh yeah, Separate Ways is one hell of a Journey song. Awesome...

/D

]]> Daniel NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 03:51:49 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4167#msg-4167 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4167,4167#msg-4167
Andrew it's only two or three months away...

Regards

Susumu]]> Susumu NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 01:46:11 +1000