Yes, our dreams came true, somebody posted 11 tracks on Napster, search under "Journey-Arrival", Quality is not perfect but listenable, lot´s of ballads !http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4031#msg-4031Wed, 22 May 2013 15:44:12 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4216#msg-4216 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4216#msg-4216a bootlegger.I also trade for the same stuff.I wonder if these soapbox preachers realize there are more important things to bitch(preach) about in this world than music.]]> KISSaholic NoticeboardThu, 10 Aug 2000 17:39:27 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4124#msg-4124 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4124#msg-4124
Eric wrote:
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According to some people's logic, the Journey album is up for grabs at Napster because it isn't released yet - that that somehow makes it not stealing.

I guess then if somebody that worked for say Microsoft stole a new OS they were working on, and began distributing it on Ebay it would be okay because the product isn't for sale yet?
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Without incriminating myself, I'll say that I have seen every OS from Microsoft since Windows 95 far in advance of it's official release date, both in beta and the full release form. If I did happen to try it out, I always got the official CD later on anyway if for no other reasons than 1) Hard drives weren't always as big as they are now and 2) CD burners weren't always as inexpensive.

In anyevent, Eric, you are putting words into my mouth that I never said. When did I say one word about Ebay, or about making money off of Napster at all? The CD's I will burn from my own Napster downloads are for my personal use. As I said in a previous post, they are 99% material that is not at all available commercially, nor likely will ever be. And if Van Halen, The Stones, U2, or whomever decide to release a "Beatles Anthology" type of product that has some of this bootleg material on it, I'll be the first one to buy it because it's guaranteed to sound better than the bootleg versions. If anyone IS selling the new Journey or new Van Halen album on E-Bay, then yes they WOULD be stealing, because they are making money off of someone elses work.

It comes down to this.. Since the invention of MP3's (and especially since Napster) I haven't bought one bootleg CD. I DO continue to buy the commercially released CD's, although there haven't been many worth buying lately. Do I feel guilty that the bootleggers are losing money? Not in the least. Do I support free trading of non-commercial music files. Damn right I do!

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I guess then if somebody that worked for say Microsoft stole a new OS they were working on, and began distributing it on Ebay it would be okay because the product isn't for sale yet?]]> Eric NoticeboardWed, 09 Aug 2000 02:14:33 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4105#msg-4105 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4105#msg-4105
John Q wrote:
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It is truly mindboggling how certain people can justify immoral behavior and feel good, even proud, about themselves! Let me get this straight, F.O.R.D.: If I were to walk into 5150 and dubbed me a copy of every song Van Halen have recorded with DLR so far and put them up on the Net so every Napster dweeb out there could download it - that wouldn't be stealing either according to your logic, right? I mean, why give a shit about Van Halen - they're all multi-millionaires anyway and don't need any more money, so why should they (or their label) care what other people do with their creation...?
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If you somehow got a hold of the new Van Halen album and put it on Napster, you bet your ass I would download it! And then I would buy the CD the minute it hit the store. I have dozens of Van Halen & Van Hagar songs on my hard drive right now. Only one of them ("Crossing Over") is commercially available at all, and it's pretty hard to come by. As for TimeWarnerAOLNetscapeEMI, no I really don't think they would miss the money that much even if I DIDN'T buy it, but THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID John. Until the product BECOMES commercially available, nobody is losing any money. There is little doubt that any bootleg that made it out of 5150 right now would be so poor in sound quality that nobody would settle for that version when the CD came out.

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Amazing... all you pathetic little fanboys who think you are somehow 'entitled' and have the right to demand when and how you get to hear the next Journey or Van Halen record or whatever, the artists and their wishes be damned, make me ill. There should be someone like the equivalent of the 'Soup Nazi' on 'Seinfeld to set you all straight: "NO JOURNEY FOR YOU!!!!"
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Ironic you should use that for your analogy.. Remember what happenned to the Soup Nazi?? ]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardTue, 08 Aug 2000 16:17:28 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4094#msg-4094 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4094#msg-4094>there will be NO soundbytes available here until I get permission

Get it, those guys who think Napster is cool????

It's about the permission of the band. If ever a band gives out mp3's or the permission to do them, it's ok, but if not, it is stealing. That's it.

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In talks with the band's management this week, they were VERY concerned that a security leak allowed me to get a tape.
They are VERY anxious for it not to reach Napster, but alas, it seems like it has.
I have told the guys there will be NO soundbytes available here until I get permission (if I get permission) and I respect the band's decision not to make copies also.
Just for the record - my user name on Napster is 'rockwombat', so it wasn't me that started the ball rolling!!

Best regards,
Andrew.]]> Markus NoticeboardTue, 08 Aug 2000 07:56:30 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4087#msg-4087 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4087#msg-4087
Then there will be people buying them and slagging it off because of the quality etc. and trust me, word of mouth is a powerful thing.

I hope Kevin gets his wish and this thread is deleted.

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It is quite evident that an argument can be made for either side (okay its on Napster vs. Not okay). I am entirely confused as to which side I'm on. I have decided to wait for the official CD release however.

Argument "okay"
1) Its unreleased
2) Mostly fans that will buy the CD anyway
3) Fans haven't been privvy to any teasers from Journey on their website
4) Journey fans are rabid

Argument "Not okay"
1) It was unfinished, unpolished. It is not the final album - and their "test" material doesn't have a right to be reviewed without their consent. Test products often have problems, and in this case, Journey didn't ask anyone for a friggin Beta Test......The order will be different, the songs will be different, and the quality will be different.

2) There will be some non core-fans and bad music ear people that download it and hear it through their cheesy computer speakers, and say that it's not as good as Perry's era. And I don't want eveybody e-mailing me telling me how great their computer speakers are - many people have a very mono, shit PC sound system.

3) Anyone who downloads it after a certain point MUST realize it's theft. It is now well known that Journey/SONY do not want it out yet.
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Unit now I've been keeping an open mind on Napster. However, this just pushed me over the edge. I'm as anxious as anyone to hear 'Arrival', however, if this isn't stealing, I don't know what is. The album hasn't even been released yet!
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That is precisely why it is NOT stealing, because you CAN'T buy it yet. After the album IS released, then downloading it with the intention of burning yourself a free Journey album (or should I say the "Neal Schon Band" album?) would be an immoral thing to do. As of this moment, you are not taking any money out of "Journey's" pocket (or Sony's if you give a shit about a multinational corporation losing a few bucks)]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 13:44:31 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4051#msg-4051 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4051#msg-4051 Kris NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 11:59:18 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4048#msg-4048 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4048#msg-4048They are VERY anxious for it not to reach Napster, but alas, it seems like it has.
I have told the guys there will be NO soundbytes available here until I get permission (if I get permission) and I respect the band's decision not to make copies also.
Just for the record - my user name on Napster is 'rockwombat', so it wasn't me that started the ball rolling!!

Best regards,
Andrew.]]> Andrew NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 10:48:46 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4047#msg-4047 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4047#msg-4047 Ingmar NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 09:39:55 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4046#msg-4046 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4046#msg-4046
Andrew has made it perfectly clear that he will not be ALLOWED to put up any sound sample until he is authorised to do by Sony. Call me what you wish but I am opposed to this blatant abuse of copyright going on on the net on certain sites (not only NAPSTER).

I shall remain on my 'soapbox' (pullpit?) for as long as I wish and certainly until either the Journey album is released or I can hear samples sanctioned by the band. Here endeth the lesson!]]> Rockin' Rev NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 07:50:09 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4044#msg-4044 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4044#msg-4044
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 06:34:43 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4043#msg-4043 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4043#msg-4043
P.S.: If Andrew previews the new Journey you can bet your life he's got PERMISSION to do so! Don't equate him with these Napster clowns!]]> John Q NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 05:55:59 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4042#msg-4042 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4042#msg-4042 Kris NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:57:10 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4037#msg-4037 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4037#msg-4037
Why not just wait until the thing's released properly and hear the songs they were supposed to be heard? The anticipation used to be part of the rush...didn't it?

Forgive them. They not what they do!]]> Preacherman NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:19:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4036#msg-4036 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4036#msg-4036 Jeff NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:13:48 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4031#msg-4031 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,4031,4031#msg-4031 Ingmar NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 01:46:41 +1000