I wonder if Journey will come over to Europe and tour this time to make up for the years they have neglected us? I'm also wondering what Steve Perry actually thinks of the new Journey?http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,3974#msg-3974Thu, 23 May 2013 02:59:57 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4350#msg-4350 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4350#msg-4350Yes I have heard the Babys (heavily over-rated except for a select few) but before you disagree I have to say that John Waite is probably the best AOR singer not in Journey or Two Fires or Strangeways and his solo albums and Bad English are quite superb.
AOr is the blending of voice with power and melody so instrumental AOR to me gets a little too close to MOR.
Anyway we'll see when it finally arrives (sorry awful pun) what Augeri is really made of.
All the best]]> sergio NoticeboardSun, 13 Aug 2000 07:45:53 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4086#msg-4086 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4086#msg-4086
You basically are a Steve Perry fan, not a Journey fan - which is fine. It sounds like you have an open mind about Augeri, and Its cool you'll most likely enjoy the new CD even without Perry.

Many of us rock fans, and especially Journey fans LOVE instrumentals and it is only an opinion about the first Journey albums being un-listenable to - many of us enjoy the hell out of them. I'll take any of the first 3 over Raised on Radio - a completely Perry driven album.

The fans who are saying Journey is better off without Perry, are most likely just expressing their frustration that the alternative would be to have NO Journey. Perry isn't an option, and so, essentially, they are better off without him.

Schon and Cain's solo albums may not have had commercial hits, but have you ever heard of the Babys, Santana, HSAS, Hardline, Bad English or Abraxus Pool. MUCH. MUCH better than Perry's solo efforts. For the Love of Strange Medicine is nice, but it isn't strong.

Just my opinions.......]]> Eric NoticeboardTue, 08 Aug 2000 04:11:00 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4082#msg-4082 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4082#msg-4082We all love them for the reasons most people hate them-great production, over-blown sentimental lyrics, every emotional punch delivered and cynically added just to make it hit the right spot. No wonder they are seen as the enemy by all things trendy and alternative. As for this debate about how wondeful Jonathan Cain or Neal Schon's solo ablums are ????? If you love that instrumental doddling so much what the hell do you see in Journey?
For the Love of Strange Medicine is quite glorious and who cares about the lyrics of 'You'd Better Wiat'-just hear the harmonies and that joyous swoop as Steve Perry tells us he is back.
What is with this speculation on who wrote what bit of what song? 'Send Her My Love' is the perfect ballad and I don't care if Jonathan did most of it or Steve just added a couple of lines, who cares?
Listen to the introduction of the bootleg version of 'Whose Cryin Now? and hear how they collaborated but that was probably just a couple of words or a line.
I saw Steve Augeri last summer and he was excellent but he just couldn't cope with 'Escape' and even 'Separate Ways' was beyond him on the 'Take care my love, miss you love' bit. Yes, he does a good job but he's not Steve Perry and the sooner you all stop making this claim that Journey is somehow as good without Steve Pery the better.
Finally how come Terry Brock never gets mentioned when the great AOR vocalists are talked of?
]]> sergio flavella NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 22:55:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4076#msg-4076 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4076#msg-4076http://www.angelfire.com/ma/strutteraor/Rock Report/Fireworks for proof of this guys awesome talent, in fact his voice is so powerful it's scary! Andrew you should review + interview Timothy Lewis.
Also didn't Geoff Tate(Queensryche) record several songs with Journey before Augeri joined? Now that would have really worked well!
Roll on September!!!!!!
cheers
Nick]]> Nick NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 17:51:48 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4071#msg-4071 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4071#msg-4071
Nicky wrote:
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Yeah but was VH, VH with Sammy Hagar then? I know they got very successfull with Hagar but was it really VH? You didn't mention that one!!
Also heard rumours that MONTROSE with Hagar are gonna give it another shot!!!
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VH with Sammy was Van HAGAR, as opposed to Van HALEN. Never mind what WB records put on the label, these were two very differenct bands. Dave and Eddie had a much different chemistry (songwriting and otherwise) than Sammy and Eddie did. Montrose briefly reunited during the sessions for Sammy's "Marching to Mars" album and can be heard on the track "Leaving the Warmth of the Womb". There is also an MP3 of them performing a new version of their 1973 single "Rock Candy" floating around on Napster. Sammy has said in numerous interviews since 1996 that he never again intends to join any bands again, especially those named after guitarists.


Nicky wrote:
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Was Tyketto, Tyketto with Steve Augeri and not Danny Vaughn if we are gonna get picky! Is Ratt, Ratt with their new singer, same with Skid Row, why are they taking so long to get the new album out?
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I never heard anything Steve Augeri did before he became the Steve Perry stand in. As for my feelings on Ratt and Skid Row.... well I'll just be polite and say that new singers couldn't possibly make them much worse.

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There's only some bands with original members left that have kept going like Def Leppard for one (and yes I know they have Vivian Campell, but if Steve were still alive he'd still be a Leppard and still is), Queensryche is another band with longetivity (almost), these bands haven't jumped on any bandwagon's a'la Iron Maiden etc.. and have just kept going and going getting stronger....
and isn't the new Boston cd due? At l....

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Leppard lost a lot of their original sound when they kicked Pete Willis out of the band for being a drunk. It's really too bad because High & Dry is still the best album they have ever done. They lost the other half when Steve Clark died, and even before his death, seemed to be recycling the same album over and over. Pyromania, Hysteria, etc. even the titles are similar.

Queensryche, like Extreme and Van Hagar before them have fallen victim to the curse of Ray Danniels, the biggest piece of shit manager in rock n roll history. I haven't heard anyone yet who likes their new album and Chris De Garmo is already missed.

Boston is another band that attempted to replace a frontman who was a HUGE part of their sound and identity. They failed miserably. No sooner had the "Walk On" album fallen from the charts, and Brad Delp was back on board in time for the tour. I have also heard rumors of a new Boston album. Given the average of 8 years between their releases and their age, this could very well be their last time around. Hope Brad & Tom give us something to remember them by (as if the first 3 albums weren't enough)]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 14:14:09 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4069#msg-4069 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4069#msg-4069
I agree with your assessment that Journey was an awesome band without Jon Cain. There is no doubt about that. I was only trying to draw a comparison between the addition of Jon to the band, and the obvious upturn in their record sales and commercial popularity that quickly ensued. "Who's the Best" arguments are an exercise in futility since we all have differing opinions about our favorite music. I will not debate the issue of which Journey lineup was "the best", just wanted to make that point about Jon's addition and Journey's stratospheric rise thereafter. BTW, I wish Gregg wouldv'e reunited with the band on TBF or even now. He certainly is missed in my eyes. Rock On!!]]> Brian Mc NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 13:22:05 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4062#msg-4062 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4062#msg-4062front, so how can they welcome him into the band without hearing new material first apart from the Armageddon song??


Well, I will say that covering the Perry songs is no easy task, at best. Out of the 3 shows I have seen (one on the Fall '98 tour and 2 on the Summer '99 tour), the audience just came unglued when Journey hit the stage and remained that way for the entire show. At the last show I saw, practically EVERYBODY stood for the ENTIRE show--even the people on the lawn.
Read your local Journey message board and 99.999% of the people have accepted him. Of course, the real challenge comes on the new cd, but so far, all I have read are very high reviews for the songs--so that doesn't appear to be a problem either. It's just possible that the Napster fiasco might work in the band's favor and make more people want to buy the cd, especially since everything I have read concerning the new songs ahs been positive.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 08:25:54 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4059#msg-4059 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4059#msg-4059
I hope you are saying that Journey without Steve Perry is a joke, ONLY if you saw them in concert with Augeri. Perhaps you should also wait to make that ultra-negative comment until after you have heard the new CD a few times. Opinions are fine, especially since yours are usually very insightful, however in this case it comes across more as ignorant bashing.

And easy on Augeri. He was great with Tall Stories - 90's crap just happened to be ruling the airwaves when that was released. He also happened to work very hard to do a decent job with Journey material live - AND he makes a genuine effort to answer fan's questions on the message board on Journey's official site.

Finally, the reason they didn't call Bad English Journey in 1988, was because in case you haven't noticed, John Waite doesn't have the type of voice to do Journey related material - and Cain/Schon/Castronovo weren't attempting to do Journey type of music then.

]]> Eric NoticeboardMon, 07 Aug 2000 03:11:59 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4054#msg-4054 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4054#msg-4054Oh yes, VH were very successfull with Sammy Hagar, there's no disputing that, and I totally love Hagar's material with them as much as I do with Roth, but let's not forget on a worldly basis it took 2 albums for Hagar to be fully accepted, so I just think that Gary Cherone wasn't given a fair chance.
Lets also not forget that Ed and the boys are still friends with Cherone and in an interview they said that they haven't ruled out working with him again as Ed and Gary see eye to eye musically, at the same time the only reason Gary was ousted from the band was because of the bands label who said "Get Hagar or Roth in or loose your record deal", afrter the poor sales of VH3, but you know I think that was a sign of the time, that album wasn't pushed by the label as much as the others and it was the first VH album with no single here in the UK. So after I read this statement it was pretty obvious that the VH boys are just doing this reunion gig for the money to keep their deal, where if it had been really about the music, they would have continued with Gary and would have picked up a major deal with another label without any problem. Let's face it Hagar ended up on MCA records with his last album "red voodoo", so if he can get a major deal, I'm sure the band could have said get stuffed to their current label.
As for Journey, well let's hear the album first when it cmes out and then be judgemental. Fans have only seen Augeri on a LIVE front, so how can they welcome him into the band without hearing new material first apart from the Armageddon song??
I hope Journey come full circle here, but I doubt they will tour and get pushed in Europe, with only the magazines doing the promotion work for them rg- reviews etc, How many magazine will actually get interviews with them I wonder as they are most difficult?
By the way it was John Waite who tour up Bad English and the reason for their split
c-ya dude
Nick
]]> Nick NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 18:19:34 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4045#msg-4045 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4045#msg-4045
Was it a different VH? Of course Was it a successful VH? Very much so.......even to the point that some might consider that it was the "best" lineup as it brought in many more people that previously weren't VH fans.

Of course, everything died when nobody ever accepted Gary Cherone in VH when they tried singer auditions one more time. It was a bad marriage to begin with and people saw thru it.


on the Journey side of things though......

After some serious problems on the Frontiers tour and the Perry dictatorship of the ROR cd/tour in 1986, Steve Perry left the building, split, went away, said goodbye, etc.......and nothing was heard from him until a solo cd in 1994--well, with the exception of a 5 minute reunion with Journey for the Bill Graham Memorial COncert in 1991, after which point he left again.
In the meantime, you had the rest of the band left without a singer, so your mutual hiatus was called. The 1st Bad English cd was a pretty even 50/50 mix of John Waite and Journey.....and it worked pretty good selling a lot of copies and having a #1 hit single. BE's downfall came though on the followup where the band pretty much capsized halfway thru the "Backlash" cd and BE was no more by the time the cd hit the streets --> no singles, no tour, no nothing. Who's fault it was.....who knows but it was mostly a Cain/Schon vs. Waite situation where nothing really worked. Good idea, bad execution.
Then, add in your Perry solo attempt, which was patchy at best and a halfway-completed tour that was about 90% Journey songs and having major problems with Perry's voice (or lack thereof).......and the stage is set for a lot of $$$$$$ and a Journey reunion.
Good idea again, but troubles in paradise once more. CD is done and Perry dissappears again. Whatever reason you choose to believe, the facts stand that there was no tour, little to no promotion by the band and soon enough, Perry leaves the band--by what is generally seen to be of his own free will.
Add in a new vocalist, a small warmup tour, then a big arena tour......and surprisingly, the fans are happy as can be. Check your local Journey message board, read reviews of the tour and you'll see what I mean when I say most fans have accepted Steve Augeri without hesitation....something Gary Cherone never got.



Van Halen will very soon be reminding the world what
real rock n roll is once again.

I hope you are right. There is a good chance though that if the new Journey cd takes a foothold in the market, it can lay the groundwork for other bands like Van Halen to come back and make a killing. As far as a "real" hardrock band, prospects for VH are as high as anything else, so cross your fingers.

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 07:48:15 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4041#msg-4041 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4041#msg-4041Also heard rumours that MONTROSE with Hagar are gonna give it another shot!!!
Was Tyketto, Tyketto with Steve Augeri and not Danny Vaughn if we are gonna get picky! Is Ratt, Ratt with their new singer, same with Skid Row, why are they taking so long to get the new album out?
There's only some bands with original members left that have kept going like Def Leppard for one (and yes I know they have Vivian Campell, but if Steve were still alive he'd still be a Leppard and still is), Queensryche is another band with longetivity (almost), these bands haven't jumped on any bandwagon's a'la Iron Maiden etc.. and have just kept going and going getting stronger....
I thought that Mr.Big worked well with Richie Kotzen, and I think it's time we could do with a new Foreigner record? Anyone agree? same with REO Speedwagon and isn't the new Boston cd due? At least if Journey fail their will be some hope in Foreigner, REO, Boston + possibly Survivor.
I wish Cinderella would hurry up with their new album, they're a great band and isn't time for Stryper to get their shit together? Didn't the press mention that their were going to be new albums from Leatherwolf and Black N' Blue this year? Oh and Firehouse deserve a break for giving us 10 years of glorious melodic hard rock!!!]]> Nicky NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:56:41 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4040#msg-4040 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4040#msg-4040
]]> Nicky NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:41:50 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4039#msg-4039 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4039#msg-4039
Eric wrote:
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Vince -

I respect your opinion about "Steve Perry IS Journey", however it is Neal Schon who is Journey. It is his band, it was before Perry and is after. Perry helped them become more popular (and at times Cheesy - Raised on Radio), but Journey isn't Journey without Neal.....

Eric

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A band is just that. A BAND. And where a band starts to go wrong (i.e. Journey, Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc.) is when one member of the band, more often than not the guitarist, thinks that he IS the whole show. But look at the truth....

Was Bad English Journey?
Was VD III Van Halen?
Was Eternal Idol really Black Sabbath?

The answer in all three cases is a loud FUCK NO!

It's also ironic that in all three cases, the guitarists at least at least to some degree realize the reality of the situation. Black Sabbath has reunited, Journey did release one album as themselves, and Van Halen will very soon be reminding the world what real rock n roll is once again.

What Neal Schon in this case failed to realize (as did Eddie VH in 1996 and Tony Iommi in both 1985 w/Ozzy and 92w/Dio) is that once your fans have heard the REAL thing from you again, they won't let you go back to the fake.]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:34:03 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4038#msg-4038 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4038#msg-4038
"There IS a reason why you see Britney Spears performing "Open Arms" live instead of "The Search Is Over".......no I'm not kidding here!!!!!!!"

Er...yeah there is, but it's probably got more to do with MARIAH CAREY singing it that JOURNEY!! Or did you forget that?]]> Surfpunk NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:31:27 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4034#msg-4034 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4034#msg-4034
Sorry kids. Jonathan Cain ruined Journey. The first 2 or 3 albums after Steve Perry joined were great. Some of their best moments were the songs on which both Perry and Greg Rolie sang lead.

With Cain in the band they descended into pure cheesiness. It's this period that makes Journey laughable in the eyes of many today and makes them forget the many decent honest rock songs they wrote in the late 70's and early 80's.

Not that Neal Schon wasn't capable of better. The HSAS album he did with Sammy Hagar was some of his best playing ever. Too bad Journey couldn't have been as inspired instead of becoming a top 40 cheese factory.

and Journey without Steve Perry is a joke. If they didn't call it Journey in 1988 with John Waite singing (Bad English) then why do they call it "Journey" now with this reject from a Journey cover band??]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 04:04:56 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4032#msg-4032 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4032#msg-4032 Brian Mc NoticeboardSun, 06 Aug 2000 01:53:58 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4026#msg-4026 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4026#msg-4026Yeah I can understand why you would get bored with that album, and you may ger bored with "For A Lifetime" which is a complete piano led album, and Jonathan's playing is so beautiful, but it could well bore a lot of people, but the passion and skill is defintley there, so check it out if you get a chance, but I must stress this is one cd to put on for seducing your girlfriends over a dinner and a glass of red wine.
Richard Clayderman eat your heart out (lol)!!!!!
]]> Nick NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 16:02:06 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4025#msg-4025 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4025#msg-4025
Brad wrote:
.I wonder what they did to make the media disdain them soo badly?

I think it was kinda a case of the fact that they succeeded and went to the top without much radio airplay or media support. Very few of the singles before Escape had any radio success as far as chart numbers go, but they were filling arenas on the road. Not exactly normal to put it mildly---most bands don't go on the road touring with no hit songs, let alone make it work. Anyways, it's human nature to put down those who succeed.....

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 15:02:14 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4023#msg-4023 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4023#msg-4023
It's just i wonder why so many people who where obviously influenced by Journey are so scared to admit it?? I mean Ricky Martin and Garth Brooks has but not to many have in print/public.....I wonder what they did to make the media disdain them soo badly?

Brad]]> Brad NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 14:12:25 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4022#msg-4022 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4022#msg-4022
Vince Viani wrote:
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Hi Brad,

I do believe that Perry had as much to do with the songwriting in those albums as Cain did. And especially on the ROR album, it was mostly Perry. That album was very R&B-ish and that was Perry's specialty. Not to mention that Perry produced ROR


I can agree that the r&b sound of ROR was very Perry-influenced, but I am still unconvinced how much of a writer Perry ever was. To me, his solo cds are patchy to say the least and very rarely have impressed me much with their songwriting abilities. It is practically the saving grace of Perry's voice that they sound as good as they do. if you put someone like Vince Neil or Jani Lane on those songs, I doubt many people would rate it as high as they do.

As far as lyrics go....."You Better Wait"

she was seventeen
beauty queen
met her in a magazine

heart of fire
love's desire
reaching out higher, higher

Now, don't get me wrong as I do like the song, but I find it amazing that out of 6 writers (Perry included) that they couldn't come up with better lyrics than this!

What should't be factored out here is whether Perry became a good collaborating writer when paired with someone who could write fairly well by themselves. "Faithfully" is pure Cain and "Open Arms" is mostly Cain (it came with him from The Babys because John Waite refused to sing it). Both of those songs are Journey to the core. Lyrics to both of those are pretty good. So.....Cain can write solo and make it turn out pretty good. How much Perry was responsible for the "Journey" sound should soon be shown to everyone on the new Perryless cd.
ROR was very Perry-directed, but lyrically, I don't see that much difference from any other cd, which suggests that the main writer(s) from the previous cds hadn't changed much--it was still mainly Perry/Cain. With Perry producing--and pretty much being solely responsible for Valory and Smith leaving the band--I think it's safe to say that he would have some direction on the sound of the band for that particular cd.


Generally speaking, my overall feelings toward Perry is that he is a brilliant vocalist (best ever rock vocalist in my book).....but as far as writing goes, he needs someone that can write good and when he doesn't have that, the quality of the songs suffer.




I do agree with you, however, that Journey cannot get success by writing rockers, at least in this day and age. Their success indeed will come from Cain's ballads

true......on the other hand though, you get their live shows where rockers primarily dominate the setlist. Hard balance to maintain to say the least because what they will perform are the rockers usually. Over the last 2 tours, they performed the following songs from Trial By Fire: One More, Castles Burning, Can't Tame the Lion, When You Love a Woman. 3 rock songs (none of which were popular radio hits) and only 1 ballad....even though the album had more ballads than rock songs.




And as for godfathers of the power ballad, I think there are other bands we should consider as well...how about Survivor?

I would put Survivor up there in having created some of the best ballads, but neither their debut nor Premonition had any ballads. The 1st Survivor cd with a ballad was Eye of the Tiger, released the year after Journey's "Open Arms" from Escape went soaring up the charts....and they didn't get a hit ballad until 2 cds later with 1984's "The Search is Over" off of Vital Signs. By this time, Journey had hit singles with "Open Arms", "Faithfully" and "Send Her My Love" which planted Journey firmly in the power-ballad band category--which did little to help their rock concerts, but gave them plenty of hit singles.
As a purely song-writing standpoint, I would put any of Survivor's ballads head-to-head on the same level as Journey's, but the fact remains though.......Journey was WAY more influential to the success of ballads. There IS a reason why you see Britney Spears performing "Open Arms" live instead of "The Search Is Over".......no I'm not kidding here!!!!!!!

Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 14:01:54 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4021#msg-4021 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4021#msg-4021
Good point...And BELIVE me i dont dissagree with either of ya...Im just saying...and i do mean...very unfortunately...that in todays musical climate....that if they made 2 albums like those again...Sony would drop them from the label, and who knows if we would ever get new music by them..At least with the ballads thrown in there..Its enough of a carrot that they (sony) will keep them hoping to cash in on a hit and maybe get 3-5 more albums before they call it a day and ride off into that big wheel in they sky.....

regards,

Brad]]> Brad NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 13:49:36 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4020#msg-4020 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4020#msg-4020
Unfortunately i live in Jacksonville Fla...And down here...if you dont wear cowboy boots,hats, date your cousins and consider jr high school higher education, than you will not get much promotion..This is pretty much a country music town..plus least i forget :""PLAY SOME FREEBIRD MAN!!"" skynard country......Most of the stuff you speak of unfortunately i have not heard off except what i read and the few sound bytes i hear off of this site...I enjoy most of what i hear...If you know a place i can hear more sound bytes to check it out i would appreciate it....

Brad]]> Brad NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 13:45:08 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4019#msg-4019 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4019#msg-4019
Although I like Cain's solo efforts much more than any other Journey's solo efforts (not counting bands, just pure solo), Journey's best songs were before Cain joined them. Rock radio, real rock radio still plays Journey, and its pretty much off of Infinity and Evolution. Anytime, Feeling that way, Just the same Way are their best music in my opinion. Raised on Radio brought Journey as much mockery as success.]]> Eric NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 13:42:28 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4018#msg-4018 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4018#msg-4018
Vince, Sony Exec's?? LOL!!! I wish.....I dont think sony would want me...I would bring back leather, japanese bandana's, Big Hair, 6 story stack of marshalls, Enough pyrotechnics to make Jerry Brakheimer jealous...Oh and $15.00 ticket prices too!!...

I just would like to see the guys have success...I know both you and i would love what they would make from the heart.....but....that wont keep them on a major label selling lotsa records...which would get the tv appearances..and videos...The best we would be hoping for is for k-tel to pick up an album off website sales...I think neither of us want to see that.....

Vince Survivor...I agree they made a few in their days too...But i stick to my guns/opinon that pound for pound their ballads are what they are know best for...]]> Brad NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 13:39:34 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4017#msg-4017 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4017#msg-4017
Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 13:28:58 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4014#msg-4014 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4014#msg-4014

just my opinion

Gabe]]> Gabe NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 11:32:43 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4012#msg-4012 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4012#msg-4012Hi Brad,

I do believe that Perry had as much to do with the songwriting in those albums as Cain did. And especially on the ROR album, it was mostly Perry. That album was very R&B-ish and that was Perry's specialty. Not to mention that Perry produced ROR

I do agree with you, however, that Journey cannot get success by writing rockers, at least in this day and age. Their success indeed will come from Cain's ballads

And as for godfathers of the power ballad, I think there are other bands we should consider as well...how about Survivor?

Cheers
Vince


Brad wrote:
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Ah yes...But if you REALLY want to get technical...The bands greatest success was the ESCAPE, FRONTIERS, and ROR album...and that one constant was Johnathan Cain...I think he is given way too little credit for thier success...I didnt see open arms faithfully etc on the first few perry albums..With Cain probably writing most of the ballads...which is the ONLY thing they will get commercial success in this Girl/Boy band day of age....Forget rockers...These guys are not KNOWN for rockers nor never will...They are the godfathers of the power ballad...nobody has nor will do it better..They will carve a nice adult comtemperary ninche for themselves for however long they continue to do this....Same here..just my opinon...

Brad]]> Vince Viani NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 07:18:14 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4011#msg-4011 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,3974,4011#msg-4011
I haven't heard For a Lifetime, but I did hear Body Language and that was enough to put me to sleep completely...sorry, but that's how I feel about that! ha ha!

Although Cain did a lot of the songwriting for Journey, most people (fans) who bought the albums will remember Perry more often than they will Cain.

When people think of Journey, they think of Perry's amazing vocals, stage presence, and natural charisma, and not Cain's piano playing

The frontman, unfortunately (or maybe fortunately depending on if you are a singer or not), gets most of the credit and popularity, so it is safe to assume that at least in the eyes of the "average" fan, it was Perry they thought about when they thought of Journey

And let's not forget that Perry co-wrote many of Journey's hits...

I'm not counting out Cain because I think he's a great songwriter. All I'm saying is that Perry was probably the biggest reason for Journey's success whilst he was there....

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I agree Cain gets little credit, has anyone heard one of his solo albums called "For A Lifetime"? It's all piano based and is very pleasing to listen to. Check out the instrumental verison of "Open Arms", this is one sexy album to play over a candle lit dinner with your wife/girlfriend!!
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Kevin]]> Kevin NoticeboardSat, 05 Aug 2000 06:28:38 +1000