The problem I have with all of these reunion tours is that I hate these older bands getting back together in praise of how great they once were. If Sabbath can't put out an album full of new material with Ozzy, then they need to keep their asses parked at home. Same with VH and everybody else. If these guys want to really get fans into it, they have to come up with some new stuff that is as good as the old stuff. The two new tracks on Sabbath's Reunion album suggests that they can't do it. And, honestly, I don't think VH can either. They are a much younger band, but Bon Jovi has a great new album out. They aren't going out and playing Slippery When Wet all over again. Why should they? Like the new album or not, they are still writing a ton of new material and quite a few of us think it is pretty damn good. Maybe not quite "Wanted Dead or Alive" good, but good nonetheless. The worst part of the reunion tour is that these older bands are as bored with the old material as a lot of us are. I have heard "Paranoid", "War Pigs", or "Runnin' With The Devil" about a million times apiece. And no matter how great of songs they are, after that many listens they get pretty dull. You just get burnt out on it. And that's the way the bands are. Every time I see a live Sabbath performance, it looks like Tony Iommi and Geezer are about to fall asleep while they are playing. Can you imagine how many times they have played "N.I.B."?!? I guess my point is that I think a reunion is great, but only if you can still write great music, and perform it live.http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2845#msg-2845Thu, 20 Jun 2013 02:25:22 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,3038#msg-3038 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,3038#msg-3038
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The truth hurts, doesn't it
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Which truth would that be? The fact that you obviously know nothing about music and less about Van Halen.

Frank whined:
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Dave can't sing, can't write....The only thing he's good for is those silly leg kicks and his hairpiece. At least Kip Winger knew how to play an instrument and write!!!!

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How many times do you goddamn SHEEP have to use the hair jokes? David Lee Roth, a 45 year old man, doesn't have the same hairline he had when he was 20. So fucking what? How many 45 year old men do? Eddie doesn't. Alex doesn't. Michael Anthony sure AS HELL doesn't. I don't see you making jokes about them. And for the record, there are no hairpieces, plugs, etc. Try the Quiet Riot and Kiss camps if you are looking for Sy Sperling.

As for the argument of Kip Winger vs David Lee Roth as a songwriter, FUCKING SPARE ME!! Van HALEN made 6 albums that will remain on rock n roll radio for the next 20 years just like the last 20. When was the last time you heard "She's Only 17" or any other stupid ass bubblegum lame Winger song on the radio? How many Winger albums have DIAMOND awards, Frankie?? Did Alice Cooper lose 95% of his fan base when Kip Winger left his band?? Yeah, I didn't fucking think so.

Frankie pissed and moaned:
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Van Halen will crash and burn with Roth.....if not in 2000 - it'll be in 2001. Eddie's made a big mistake on this one. I guess the dollar signs got too bright for him to say no.

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Van "Halen" crashed and burned WITHOUT Roth. True, each Van Hagar album went at least double platinum, but each one sold less than its predecessor. And as for Van Danniels III (recorded after the 96 reunion scam) the album and tour were both DISASTERS by Van Halen standards. Van Halen fans told Eddie when he made the mistake by rejecting VDIII. The fans want Van HALEN back, and whether or not it took persuasion from the suits at WB to bring it about, Eddie finally listened.

Frank grasped for straws:
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Oh....BTW, It WAS always about Eddie. If it wasn't for Eddie, Roth would be a sterno bum in southern California.

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If it wasn't for Dave, Eddie and Alex would still be painting numbers on sidewalks.

Frank BAAAA'ed:
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Eddie wrote those tunes that got Van Halen their first record deal AND Eddie performed the guitar work that inspired millions.

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Eddie wrote the music, Dave wrote the lyrics. It takes both to make SONGS. It was that songwriting partnership that made Van Halen's songs so great. As for getting them their record deal, as good as Eddie was, it was DAVID LEE ROTH who got noticed on stage. Don't believe me? There was another band playing the LA club scene at the same time. You'll recognize their name now, Quiet Riot. But in 1977 no American record company could give a shit. Why? Their guitarist (a guy by the name of Randy Rhoads, whom you may have heard of) was fucking amazing, but their frontman was (and still is) a boring un-entertaining dickhead. So when WB came calling, the contract went to the band who not only sounded good on stage, but who had the best show as well. Without David Lee Roth, this would not have happenned. Case closed.


]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardTue, 11 Jul 2000 16:47:03 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,3006#msg-3006 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,3006#msg-3006The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Dave can't sing, can't write....The only thing he's good for is those silly leg kicks and his hairpiece. At least Kip Winger knew how to play an instrument and write!!!!

Van Halen will crash and burn with Roth.....if not in 2000 - it'll be in 2001. Eddie's made a big mistake on this one. I guess the dollar signs got too bright for him to say no.

Oh....BTW, It WAS always about Eddie. If it wasn't for Eddie, Roth would be a sterno bum in southern California. Eddie wrote those tunes that got Van Halen their first record deal AND Eddie performed the guitar work that inspired millions. The only thing Roth has inspired is what *not* to do as a rocker, when you start losing your hair and your career.

-Frank]]> Frank NoticeboardMon, 10 Jul 2000 22:36:45 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2951#msg-2951 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2951#msg-2951
You post had some good points but these points were lost in your total lack of reality in assesing the situation!! Dave/VH in 2000-1 can and WILL out sell anything Hagar and Ed EVER did!! It would be huge!!

Anyone who saw Dave on tour last year will testify that in front of VanHalen he would shine!! The group would shine!

It was NOT all about Eddie? Dave was as much to the group as Ed, not to take away from Ed but it is true!!

So stop spouting off and go listen to nsync or the back door boys!!!


WISE]]> WISEatDLRND.com NoticeboardSat, 08 Jul 2000 14:22:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2914#msg-2914 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2914#msg-2914
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Choke, Gasp, Choke....

Dude. I know opinion's are like assholes and everyone's got one....but you might need to whipe! You sounds like it needs a washing!

I'll give you Me Wise Magic, as a very good song -- rivaling (a very small) some of the Hagar era material....but to say that it's better than anything done with Sammy? You're smokin crack!

I wont even go there, with "Cant get that stuff no more".....pure shite!!! It's a very wide known fact that Roth had more trouble singing those two songs, than Sammy had on all of his VH albums. Me Wise Magic and Cant Get That Stuff were recorded with literally hundreds of vocal takes. Thankfully, Eddie and Co were able to piece together a vocal performance with the parts they had. I don't know about you....but cheating in the studio usually get's you a pretty mediocre song. How about when you finally see the band live and the guy cant sing the parts. If he couldn't hack it in a room by himself, You think he's gonna even come close, when he's running around and doing his stupid leg kicks and splits.

David Lee Roth can't sing, cant write music, and with Van Halen -- he's no better. Sammy is an accomplished vocalist and a damn good songwriter -- and he can sing a song in a take or two. Having said that, I dont care who you prefer. But if you're going to make silly statements like "Those 2 songs are better than..." you should probably get burned for it.

BTW, The Sammy era van halen was more successful on tour, in sales and in merchandising. The only thing I'll give Van Roth is nostalgia. The only one that mattered anyway, was Eddie. It was all about Eddie. Not Roth. That's why it didn't work in 1984. That's why it didn't work in 1996. and that's why it wont work in 2000-1.

-Frank]]> Frank NoticeboardFri, 07 Jul 2000 21:46:21 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2896#msg-2896 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2896#msg-2896
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The problem I have with all of these reunion tours is that I hate these older bands getting back together in praise of how great they once were. If Sabbath can't put out an album full of new material with Ozzy, then they need to keep their asses parked at home. Same with VH and everybody else.
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Van Halen WILL have a new album out before they ever begin their tour. The album is near completion now.

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If these guys want to really get fans into it, they have to come up with some new stuff that is as good as the old stuff. The two new tracks on Sabbath's Reunion album suggests that they can't do it. And, honestly, I don't think VH can either.
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I didn't think the 2 Sabbath tracks on Reunion were their best either. But the 2 tracks Van Halen did in 1996 were better than anything done by Van Hagar or David Lee Roth solo in the previous 11 years. And I believe their new album will be every bit as good as those songs were.

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The worst part of the reunion tour is that these older bands are as bored with the old material.... (snipped by the board)
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There's a serious difference here between Sabbath and Van Halen. First, as was mentioned previously, Sabbath toured with very little new material and a set list that Ozzy and the various fake Sabbath's had each been playing every year for the last 20 years. Van Halen's classic catalog on the other hand has not been heard much live since their breakup in 1985. Van Hagar would only do 3 classic songs on a regular basis and on their last 2 tours threw in a few extra's. DLR also mixed a few of the classics in with his solo set. Only on their most recent tours did the VD III lineup attempt (badly) to play the classics with the wrong singer, while Dave attempted to give Van Halen fans the classic VH set they wanted, without Eddie along for the ride. This time they will do it right, AND have an album of new material along with it. Though I have nothing against Sabbath, I think there is a huge difference between their cash in nostalgia trip and what Van Halen is doing, which is restoring what was the greatest American rock band ever, not as a nostalgia act, but as a working band for 2000.]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardFri, 07 Jul 2000 15:27:29 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2845#msg-2845 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2845,2845#msg-2845If these guys want to really get fans into it, they have to come up with some new stuff that is as good as the old stuff. The two new tracks on Sabbath's Reunion album suggests that they can't do it. And, honestly, I don't think VH can either.
They are a much younger band, but Bon Jovi has a great new album out. They aren't going out and playing Slippery When Wet all over again. Why should they? Like the new album or not, they are still writing a ton of new material and quite a few of us think it is pretty damn good. Maybe not quite "Wanted Dead or Alive" good, but good nonetheless.
The worst part of the reunion tour is that these older bands are as bored with the old material as a lot of us are. I have heard "Paranoid", "War Pigs", or "Runnin' With The Devil" about a million times apiece. And no matter how great of songs they are, after that many listens they get pretty dull. You just get burnt out on it. And that's the way the bands are. Every time I see a live Sabbath performance, it looks like Tony Iommi and Geezer are about to fall asleep while they are playing. Can you imagine how many times they have played "N.I.B."?!?
I guess my point is that I think a reunion is great, but only if you can still write great music, and perform it live.]]> Rob NoticeboardThu, 06 Jul 2000 16:52:21 +1000