I will be damned as I haven't heard this guy. Anyone help me get to know him more. Thanks Susumuhttp://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2713#msg-2713Fri, 24 May 2013 14:34:21 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2849#msg-2849 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2849#msg-2849____________________________

Wrong. Dave's voice sounds excellent live today, I saw him one year ago and all the reports from the DLR Band tour agree with what I heard. The reason why the vocals on Me Wise Magic took 2 weeks must be producer Glen Ballard adding all kinds of echos and effects on Dave's voice.. and doing his best to ruin a great tune!

First of all, there will NOT be a VH tour, period.
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And may Í ask how the hell do you know?

And thank God - it'd be like rubbernecking on the freeway after a really bad accident. I mean, 3/4 of this band are fucken invalids for cryin' out loud!
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3/4? Ed's hip replacement and Al's neck, that's 2 but Mike or Dave??


As for Sabbath - I saw the Fake and Real version a couple of times in the 90's, and the 'phonies' are/were far superior.
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If you did say 80s I would totally agree with you. The 1989 Headless Cross show is the best I ever saw from Sabbath, and I have seen the reunion (Dec 99) plus two more Martin/Murray shows, TYR in late 90 and Forbidden in 95.

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You're getting confused, F.O.R.D.. First of all, I happened to be there at the time and saw one of the Halford shows - it was 2 shows. It was gonna be Ozzy's last 2 shows before retirement and he invited Sabbath to play, only Dio had an attitude about it. That's when they asked Rob to step in at the last minute. The original Sab came out after Ozzy's set and did like 4 songs. That was the initial reunion which led to 'Reunion' and the touring they've been doing. Dio did not pull out of the homecoming shows in Birmingham - he was long gone at that time. They toured on 'Dehumanizer' back East and the shit hit the fan before they made it out West. This was BEFORE the Halford shows even happened.
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You must hate David Lee Roth even more than Eddie ever did! Dave doesn't hate Van Halen at all. Granted he's not their best friend, but he doesn't have to be.

I do not hate Dave, but for reasons I explained in my 'Wigger' post above I do think he's a joke. Him trying so hard playing Mr. Rock Star and pretending it's still '78 is why I can't take him seriously anymore. The guy is Spinal Tap personafied! He's an old washed up fart who's spent way too much time in the Cali sun w/o any sun screen. And, oh yeah, his voice is shot to hell. Must be if you're taking 2 weeks to sing one song.
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Some of Van Halen's best music (i.e. the "Fair Warning" album and the 2 tracks they recorded in 1996) were made BETTER by the tension within the band. The total absence of that tension produced total crap like the Van Danniels III album.

I will agree with you on that one. A little of internal tension is mostly a good thing, but it's gone WAAAAY beyond that with VH. You've got grown men threatening to beat each other up and insulting each other. Any pre-schooler is more adult than that.
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VD III was a fraud, as was (to a much lesser degree) Van Hagar. Or for that matter, Fake Sabbath. The Black Sabbath that toured the last 2 or 3 years is the REAL thing. The Van Halen that will tour later this year (or maybe next summer?) will be the REAL thing. The guys who made the music, the guys who made the legend!

First of all, there will NOT be a VH tour, period. And thank God - it'd be like rubbernecking on the freeway after a really bad accident. I mean, 3/4 of this band are fucken invalids for cryin' out loud! VH - III just wasn't any good; the stuff with Hagar was quality but it wasn't on par with the original Van Halen. As for Sabbath - I saw the Fake and Real version a couple of times in the 90's, and the 'phonies' are/were far superior. Other than Geezer who is totally amazing - none of these guys have any fire left in them anymore. Time to hang it up and I think they've finally gotten the message. Maybe Iommi can call Eddie and give him the same advice before it gets too embarrassing.
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F.O.R.D., I did not say I didn't like the original Sabbath, even though nothing will ever top H&H and 'Mob Rules' for me, but from reading Susumu's posts I don't think he'd dig the Ozzy era too much.

Btw, Halford only did 2 shows with Sab out in California at the end of Ozzy's 'No More Tours' tour.

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Not so. Halford's short term gig with the band began when Dio pulled out of the band's "homecoming shows" in Birmingham England. Dio was jealous of sharing the stage with Ozzy, and initially was going to skip just those shows, but couldn't work it out with the other band members, and so the once promising reunion of Sabbath II was cut short.

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Also, whether you think the non-Ozzy/Dio years are not Black Sabbath, fact is that Iommi still made some incredible music, most of which appeals a lot more to the people on this board than the early stuff.
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The Fake Sabbath stuff didn't do anything for me personally, but I don't have an argument with anybody who wants to listen to it. What I am saying is that is was NOT Black Sabbath. Tony Iommi is a hell of a guitarist, but he is not an entire band. Whether the idea to keep using the band name was his or Warner Bros. it was still wrong. Incidentally I would believe the decision was Tony's since he still hung on to the name even after defecting to IRS records.

John busted a gasket and wrote:
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Personally, I could do without all these reunion tours because the magic can never be re-created.. Sabbath are beating a dead horse at this point and I hope to God Van Halen with DLR never happens - that'd be the biggest joke of them all. Wigboy fronting a band whose members he absolutely cannot stand. Anyone paying big bucks for a fraud like that should be bitch slapped.
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You must hate David Lee Roth even more than Eddie ever did! Dave doesn't hate Van Halen at all. Granted he's not their best friend, but he doesn't have to be. Some of Van Halen's best music (i.e. the "Fair Warning" album and the 2 tracks they recorded in 1996) were made BETTER by the tension within the band. The total absence of that tension produced total crap like the Van Danniels III album.
VD III was a fraud, as was (to a much lesser degree) Van Hagar. Or for that matter, Fake Sabbath. The Black Sabbath that toured the last 2 or 3 years is the REAL thing. The Van Halen that will tour later this year (or maybe next summer?) will be the REAL thing. The guys who made the music, the guys who made the legend!]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardThu, 06 Jul 2000 10:58:25 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2809#msg-2809 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2809#msg-2809
I personally prefer the Dio/Hughes/Martin stuff. Real singers, y´know? Mob Rules, Seventh Star, Eternal Idol, Headless Cross, Tyr... all phenomenal.

Re: Sabs history. Anyone remember a guy called David Donato? He predated Ray Gillen in the frame, there were a couple of interviews in Kerrang during the time. Anyone know if he recorded anything with ém? And whatever happened to him?

Anyone remember the "Tom Jones joins BS" april fool? That ran for about a year I think...!]]> Steve, Denmark NoticeboardThu, 06 Jul 2000 05:04:11 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2784#msg-2784 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2784#msg-2784 Rob NoticeboardWed, 05 Jul 2000 11:07:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2778#msg-2778 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2778#msg-2778
Btw, Halford only did 2 shows with Sab out in California at the end of Ozzy's 'No More Tours' tour.

Also, whether you think the non-Ozzy/Dio years are not Black Sabbath, fact is that Iommi still made some incredible music, most of which appeals a lot more to the people on this board than the early stuff.

Personally, I could do without all these reunion tours because the magic can never be re-created.. Sabbath are beating a dead horse at this point and I hope to God Van Halen with DLR never happens - that'd be the biggest joke of them all. Wigboy fronting a band whose members he absolutely cannot stand. Anyone paying big bucks for a fraud like that should be bitch slapped.]]> John Q NoticeboardWed, 05 Jul 2000 05:47:50 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2777#msg-2777 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2777#msg-2777If you are into a more magestic sound, check out Dio-era Sabbath. Heaven and Hell or Mob Rules are both excellent. I, quite honestly, am quite fond of Live Evil. Great alternate versions of the classics. Dehumanizer is O.K., but not great.
As far as the brief line-up with Ian Gillen, I have never liked him before, and I don't like him in this either. Born Again does not come highly recommended.
Now we step into the more melodic phase of Black Sabbath, starting with Glenn Hughes and the Seventh Star album. An excellent album. Highly recommended if you are a Hughes fan. They made a great team, and had a hit single with "No Stranger To Love". There is also an 8th Star album floating around with demos that didn't make the first album. Not highly recommended.
There are some demos/live material available from the brief Ray Gillen stint. The version I have is called Eternal Gillen. It is some pretty impressive music, but the sound quality is just not there.
Now we move to my favorite period of Black Sabbath's work, the Tony Martin era. This is by far the least popular era of Sabbath's existence, because most people are too stuck on the heavy, plodding sound of early Sabbath. This music is very melodic and majestic, but still has some great complimentary guitar work by Tony Iommi. Eternal Idol is excellent. Headless Cross is pretty good. Tyr is a complete masterpiece. After a short breakup they recorded another brilliant album Cross Purposes. It was followed by a poor album called Forbidden. Tony Martin is a brilliant vocalist and if you are not familiar with him, check it out!
I think that the Glenn Hughes and Tony Martin album would appeal most to a melodic rock fan. ]]> Rob NoticeboardWed, 05 Jul 2000 04:10:09 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2767#msg-2767 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2767#msg-2767
Yeah, Dio is a great singer. So was Ian Gillan and Rob Halford.

That's right, the Judas Priest guy. He never made an album with Sabbath, but he did fill in briefly at the end of the Dehumanizer tour after RJ Dio left again. The reason being that the band decided to bring Ozzy on stage for encores at their homecoming gigs in Birmingham England (not sweet home Alabama).

As for the stuff between 1984- 1991 and 1993-1997. It's not Black Sabbath. One guy doesn't make a band. If you like it, great, but that stuff never worked for me.

You Napster fans can find some interesting Sabbath stuff from me (fcvh7896) when you get the chance. I've got rare stuff from the original band plus some of the previously mentioned Gillan and Halford rarities.

And of course all the good Van Halen stuff , naturally.......

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]]> F.O.R.D. NoticeboardTue, 04 Jul 2000 17:57:02 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2763#msg-2763 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2763#msg-2763
Anyway, yes, Sab are/were contemporaries of Zep, Purple, Heep, etc. - in fact, their first s/t album is universally acknowledged as the first real heavy metal album. The original line-up with Ozzy, Iommi, Butler, and Ward recorded between '69 and '78 before Ozzy split to form his own band. After that the line-up changed constantly. Ronnie James Dio joined after Ozzy left and the result was the stellar 'Heaven & Hell', followed by the awesome 'Mob Rules' (Vinnie Appice replaced Bill Ward), both of which you MUST own if you like metal even a tiny little bit. Dio then had a falling out with the band over the mix of their 'Live Evil' album and subsequently left to form his own band with Appice, Jimmy Bain and Vivian Campbell (you are aware of 'Holy Diver', right?).

Ian Gillan from Deep Purple (then fronting his own band, Gillan) stepped in for RJ and Sabbath recorded 'Born Again', one of their darkest albums ever. The album pretty much flopped and the union did not last long. The band pretty much broke up and Tony Iommi assembled a completely new band for what was supposed to be a solo album, 'Seventh Star' (with Glenn Hughes on vocals). Only the record company wanted it to be a BS album and they got their way. Glenn did not stay for long though - enter Ray Gillen (R.I.P.) who they toured with in Europe and cut demos for what was to become the 'Eternal Idol' album. Ray got into it with their producer though and left to join Blue Murder and eventually Badlands. Tony Martin took Ray's place and recorded 'Eternal Idol' (godly album - great melodic metal!), 'Headless Cross', and 'Tyr', none of which made a dent in the US but did well enough in Europe.

Next up was a shortlived reunion of the 'Mob Rules' line-up with Dio and Appice, which resulted in 'Dehumanizer'. The whole thing fell apart again half way through the tour because they all hated each other anyway and did it for the money only. Iommi got back with Tony Martin and recorded 'Cross Purposes' and another album that is so forgettable I'm forgetting the title right now...

After that, all the greedy managers involved got their shit together an worked out a big bucks reunion of the original Black Sabbath - Ozzy, Tony, Geezer, and Bill Ward (who had to be replaced on tour by Vinnie Appice in Europe after suffering a mild heart attack). The 2 shows at the NEC in Birmingham were recorded for the 'Reunion' live album, which also featured 2 brand new studio tracks. Another (farewell) tour followed and the band are supposed to be retired for good now. But only 2 weekends ago they did a mini surprise set and Ozzy is already yapping about a new studio album (which hopefully will never happen) because there's still a ton of money to be made off the name Black Sabbath.

So that's Sabbath for ya in a nutshell. I don't think you'd enjoy the early stuff with Ozzy too much - it's not very melodic. Doom and gloom all the way. But you MUST get both 'Heaven & Hell' and 'Mob Rules' as well as 'Eternal Idol', and if you're a Glenn Hughes fan, 'Seventh Star' (a second album with Glenn and Iommi is in the can but won't be released for now).]]> John Q NoticeboardTue, 04 Jul 2000 10:52:40 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2760#msg-2760 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2760#msg-2760
Regards

Susumu]]> Susumu NoticeboardTue, 04 Jul 2000 08:09:30 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2719#msg-2719 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2719#msg-2719
Now in case you're not pulling our collective legs - do the names Tony Iommi, Ozzy Osbourne, Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Vinnie Appice, to name but a few, ring a bell? Well, they were (or still are) in Black Sabbath at one time or another.

I suggest you run out and buy 'Heaven & Hell' tomorrow and get aquainted with 'this guy' pronto! You are missing out on the most influential hard rock/heavy metal band of all time!]]> John Q NoticeboardMon, 03 Jul 2000 12:21:22 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2713#msg-2713 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,2713,2713#msg-2713

Thanks

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