I'm off to see Francis Dunnery tomorrow night. A guy with a small but dedicated cult following who just can't understand why such a genius never gets the respect he deserves and why he remains such a secrect to major labels. So who do you think suffers similarly? Who are the unsung heroes of the rock scene? I'd also like to put forward Jason Bieler of Saigon Kick/Super Transatlantic. The demos this guy puts out on bvbmusic.com would put many 'signed' acts to shame. The floor's open...http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1824#msg-1824Fri, 24 May 2013 11:03:43 +1000 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2167#msg-2167 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2167#msg-2167I apologize for my long absence I know you missed me.I guess you thought you were being a smart ass with your last reply. I would have replied earlier but I do other things besides post on message boards unlike yourself. First of all you take this shit way to seriously. I mean maybe you should be on the REM message board and not the melodic rock board. I mean at least Mr.Pope seems to have a sense of humor. I mean who the fuck are you? I mean your telling me about how Paul Gilbert was more technically gifted than John Norum was at the age of 16? How the hell would you know? Did you know John Norum at 16? How about Yngwie? What were you best friends with them both in high school or something? How the hell would you know that Paul Gilbert was a better player than John Norum at the age 16? Did you also play Dungeon`s and Dragon`s with Vivian Campell? Who was better at Monopoly, you or Greg Giuffria? And how was Craig Goldy`s 18th birthday party? I mean common. You spend way to much time on the internet. I`ll also ask Don what he thinks of Billy White when we go to Australia together for vacation. Lets see what else. I didn`t ask you for your opinions on Autograph,Y&T, or Night Ranger so keep it to yourself......pal. And the Billy White printing cd`s in his basement was a joke. The Jimi Hendrix 'Watchtower' thing was another joke. I didn`t ask you for his cock size too.
Although you would probably know it if I asked. You stated that Billy White was, I believe you said "handling the vocals" on his new stuff or something like that. I didn`t mean that Billy should sing lead vocals on 'Ashes' I meant why wasn`t he a backing vocalist or somehting along the lines. I know you probably know the answer to that too. And yeah I`m sure Billy wouldn`t want to join Dokken. There`s a huge music scene in Austin,Texas. But you wouldn`t know that your not from America. Right? I guess he managed to save his 'ashes' money. The royalties must be phenominal from a record that sold 40,000 copies(got the record sales # from www.metalsludge.com and actually it was less than that if I remember correctly). Point of this post is that you need to loosen up a bit. You take this shit way to seriously. And you really come off as a very obnoxious know it all in your posts. I mean, Norum not as good as Yngwie at 16. How the hell would you know?
Me thinks I`m not the only one speaking out of my ' orifice '.


There`s the story Mr Knowitall
Fan of 1982

P.S. Get of off the Will Wheaton website(joke) and get yourself laid. Your way to uptight and serious.]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardTue, 13 Jun 2000 11:06:06 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2026#msg-2026 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2026#msg-2026

#1 the only way you could have supposedly bought the first 2 Europe albums when they first came out are if you are either from Europe or Japan.

1. Did I say I was American? 2. Ever heard of the concept of import albums?





#2 I was only about 10 when ' The Final Countdown' hit MTV and I wasn`t even a fan then.

That would explain the tenor of our post...





#3 If Billy(whoever the hell he is)White is such a great guitar player how come John Norum filled in for George Lynch when he left Dokken and not White huh?

Billy was in Austin and had his own band, ergo no time for Dokken - nor the desire to fill in for that matter. I suggest you ask Don Dokken sometime what he thinks of Billy and he'll give you the lowdown...





And you say White is a singer now? How come he didn`t sing on 'Up from the Ashes'. What did he have a sore throat?

Uh, I think Don REALLY insisted he be the singer. Does that strike you as odd?





#4 I didn`t see the 'Up From the Ashes' tour because I was only around 14 or 15 at the time. Sorry I`m not 40 years old like yourself.

I just crossed the big 3-0 a couple of years ago. Not everybody starts as late as you.





#5 Who the hell has heard of Mike Slamer, or City Boy or Watchtower or whatever the hell their names are besides you and maybe your ally Mr. Pope.

Mike Slamer happens to be one of the most respected guitar players in melodic (hard) rock circles and his albums with City Boy and Streets (you know, the band with Steve Walsh from Kansas... don't tell me I have to explain Kansas to you, too?) are considered classics of the genre. You're missing out big time - especially where Streets is concerned.





The only ' Watchtower' I know is the Jimi Hendrix one.

That's almost understandable in your case. WatchTower only happens to be one of the most influential progressive metal bands of all time - nothing you should concern yourself with. Btw, 'All Along The Watchtower' is a Bob Dylan song; Hendrix only covered it.





I mean where the hell do you find these cd`s? Or do you print them in Billy White`s basement:).

Record stores or the Net...? Just a wild guess...






If I want to listen to some unappreciated rock band`s I`ll listen to Autograph or Y&T or even Night Ranger maybe.

I can do w/o Autograph; Y&T ('Earthshaker' & 'Black Tiger' anyway) and NR (mostly 'Dawn Patrol' ) rule.






Yeah I`m sure I`ll find the ' Will Sexton and the Kill' record in my local record store. Yeah right.

Try the used vinyl section...





So if you wanna attack my age go right ahead. It`s better to be younger than older anyway.

I'm not attacking your age, but age is also not an excuse for your relative ignorance either. And you are not THAT much younger than I am, pal.





I mean John Norum was between 18 and maybe 20 when he made the first 3 Europe albums. For that young of a kid I`m damn impressed with his playing.

John was about 18 when he did the first Europe album, 20 on WOT, but had already been a pro musician since age 13 or 14. He was awesome then and he's awesome now; Yngwie or Paul Gilbert were technically far superior at age 16 than John is even now, so there's always someone better. I believe Billy White was 18 when he recorded the WatchTower album ('85) so he's actually a couple of years younger than Norum.




Thats all I have to say for now. The Fan has spoken. Take heed in my letter Mr Q than respond if you wish. My ass is done speaking.

It was certainly your ass that spoke - glad we don't disagree there. ;-)


]]> John Q NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 09:52:53 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2024#msg-2024 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2024#msg-2024I`m willing to make a compromise. I can be a prick sometimes. I just don`t like sugarcoating shit. And like I said I like shaking things up once in a while. And I gotta say I wouldn`t have minded see the Don Dokken show that you did. I realize I`m a little harsh. As a matter of fact I`ll listen to ' Up From the Ashes' as soon as possible and try a keep an open mind. As for the John Rocker comment I got a good laugh.


]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 07:24:09 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2023#msg-2023 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2023#msg-2023How about we compromise and say they are both damn good. Although White did play almost all the solos at the show I saw. They both rock.

Fan of 80's(including Norum)

Popefreak]]> Chris Pope NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 07:08:05 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2022#msg-2022 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2022#msg-2022 fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 07:01:47 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2021#msg-2021 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2021#msg-2021 fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 06:59:08 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2020#msg-2020 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2020#msg-2020

Definitely a good topic,
Fan of 1982



.]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 06:55:54 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2015#msg-2015 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2015#msg-2015

Indeed a good topic,
Fan of 1982


.]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 06:35:40 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2013#msg-2013 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2013#msg-2013 Preacherman NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 06:23:03 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2012#msg-2012 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,2012#msg-2012Despite the fact that we both probably like the same genre of music and I like any Europe fan I don`t like being told that I talk out of my ass. I also like shaking thing`s up a little now and again. So here`s what I have to say. #1 the only way you could have supposedly bought the first 2 Europe albums when they first came out are if you are either from Europe or Japan. Like anyone ever heard of Europe in America in between 1983 and 1985 or parts of `86. So if you`re not from either Europe of Japan your talking out of your own hole. #2 I was only about 10 when ' The Final Countdown' hit MTV and I wasn`t even a fan then. #3 If Billy(whoever the hell he is)White is such a great guitar player how come John Norum filled in for George Lynch when he left Dokken and not White huh? And you say White is a singer now? How come he didn`t sing on 'Up from the Ashes'. What did he have a sore throat? Your such a Billy White expert you tell me. #4 I didn`t see the 'Up From the Ashes' tour because I was only around 14 or 15 at the time. Sorry I`m not 40 years old like yourself. #5 Who the hell has heard of Mike Slamer, or City Boy or Watchtower or whatever the hell their names are besides you and maybe your ally Mr. Pope. The only ' Watchtower' I know is the Jimi Hendrix one. I mean where the hell do you find these cd`s? Or do you print them in Billy White`s basement:). If I want to listen to some unappreciated rock band`s I`ll listen to Autograph or Y&T or even Night Ranger maybe. Yeah I`m sure I`ll find the ' Will Sexton and the Kill' record in my local record store. Yeah right. So if you wanna attack my age go right ahead. It`s better to be younger than older anyway. I mean John Norum was between 18 and maybe 20 when he made the first 3 Europe albums. For that young of a kid I`m damn impressed with his playing. Thats all I have to say for now. The Fan has spoken. Take heed in my letter Mr Q than respond if you wish. My ass is done speaking.


Fan of all that is 80`s(except Billy White)
Fan of 1982

P.S John Norum and Europe rule......]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 06:06:52 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1999#msg-1999 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1999#msg-1999]]> Nicky NoticeboardThu, 08 Jun 2000 02:51:06 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1963#msg-1963 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1963#msg-1963
Ok fan, you're turn!

later,
Popefreak]]> Chris Pope NoticeboardTue, 06 Jun 2000 23:29:09 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1951#msg-1951 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1951#msg-1951 John Q NoticeboardTue, 06 Jun 2000 11:20:05 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1949#msg-1949 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1949#msg-1949
Chris Pope wrote:
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Hey John Q! I couldn't agree more about Billy White! I saw him on tour with Don Dokken years ago and you are right. He smoked Norum right off the stage! I always wondered what happened to him. What is the BW Trio you mentioned and do you know what he is doing now?

Later,
Chris Pope(popefreak@aol.com)]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardTue, 06 Jun 2000 10:28:49 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1946#msg-1946 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1946#msg-1946
Chris Pope wrote:
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Hey John Q! I couldn't agree more about Billy White! I saw him on tour with Don Dokken years ago and you are right. He smoked Norum right off the stage! I always wondered what happened to him. What is the BW Trio you mentioned and do you know what he is doing now?

Later,
Chris Pope(popefreak@aol.com)]]> fanof1982 NoticeboardTue, 06 Jun 2000 10:26:25 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1945#msg-1945 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1945#msg-1945 fanof1982 NoticeboardTue, 06 Jun 2000 10:22:17 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1912#msg-1912 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1912#msg-1912 John Q NoticeboardMon, 05 Jun 2000 14:15:17 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1898#msg-1898 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1898#msg-1898
The BW solo stuff was sort of a cross between the Arc Angels and Soundgarden - very soulful, yet modern sounding (hard) rock with a slight alternative edge. Aside from playing guitar, Billy is also handling lead vocals on both CD's and sounding very good IMO. Both records are on the now defunct DMZ label (also home of Dangerous Toys for 'Pissed' and 'The Artist formerly known as D.T.'). Personally, I prefer the full-length album, 'Illutionation' ('96), to the earlier 'Sistershootingstar' 5-song EP ('95), but they're both worth tracking down. I was lucky enough to catch the band live in '95 and they sounded absolutely fab - plus Billy is one of the nicest guys one could ever hope to meet. I really hope he'll pop up again down the line.]]> John Q NoticeboardMon, 05 Jun 2000 08:14:17 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1887#msg-1887 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1887#msg-1887
Later,
Chris Pope(popefreak@aol.com)]]> Chris Pope NoticeboardMon, 05 Jun 2000 02:42:29 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1871#msg-1871 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1871#msg-1871John Q, you've given me a healthy list of dudes to check out man, Thanks.

At least no one voted for Paul Sabu! Does anyone know exactly WHY he is semi-legendary on the AOR scene?]]> Preacherman NoticeboardSun, 04 Jun 2000 19:01:34 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1868#msg-1868 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1868#msg-1868
In the same breath I have to mention Jeff Kollman - THE new guitarist IMO. The last Edwin Dare, his album with the UFO guys, Cosmosquad, John West's 'Permanent Mark' and his latest solo album are all amazing and showcase his incredible diversity. I'll eat my shorts if this man does not move up the ladder big time in the next couple of years.

I also think Jan Granwick from Glory (and a few other projects...) is seriously underrated. Not only is he a shredding guitar player but also a great songwriter. The last 2 Glory albums, 'Crisis vs. Crisis' and 'Wintergreen', are among the best, most original sounding melodic hard rock/metal discs of the late 90's.

Last but not least - let me bow down to one Billy White. Most people probably only know him from Don Dokken's 'Up From The Ashes' album where he basically blows Norum away, but this guy is so much more multi-faceted than UFTA lets on. His pre-DD band, WatchTower, was (and still is) one of the most influential prog metal bands of all time and the 2 CD's he did with the BW Trio were equally great and showcased a totally different side of him. This guy is a musical chameleon and whatever he does - it turns out awesome. ]]> John Q NoticeboardSun, 04 Jun 2000 11:07:30 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1859#msg-1859 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1859#msg-1859 Steve, Denmark NoticeboardSun, 04 Jun 2000 04:39:46 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1846#msg-1846 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1846#msg-1846Todd Rundgren(genius), Rick Derringer (check him in concert he can mezmerize on his guitar), Enuff Z'nuff (Best Songwriters on the planet), Nick Lowe,
Squeeze, Of course Night Ranger (Jack blades songs are topps),Ten . Also The
Galactic Cowboys(Their CD"At the end of the Day" a masterpiece). Probably alot more I cant think of right now

Good Topic


]]> Dave NoticeboardSat, 03 Jun 2000 17:27:57 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1843#msg-1843 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1843#msg-1843Pure hard rock, THUNDER were fantastic, excellent live performers. TEN also deserve wider exposure.
In the power metal sphere STRATOVARIUS and EDGUY for awesome melodic metal and HELLOWEEN alsso deserve greater credit for inspiring so many bands.
In the singer songwriter stakes I would put TOM PETTY and ELVIS COSTELLO, the latter deserves a much bigger audience.
WARRANT are in my opinion much better than the press allows. There is a definite reassesment of the merits of many 80s bands going on now that is partly based on the overall mediocrity of much of 90s music.
Oh and finally I nearly forgot, an excellent hard rock band called DIVING FOR PEARLS that released a brilliant album that flopped. And NIGHT RANGER should be much bigger than they are...KAOS..]]> Kaos fan NoticeboardSat, 03 Jun 2000 17:00:17 +1000 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1824#msg-1824 http://www.melodicrock.com/phorum52/read.php?1,1824,1824#msg-1824
So who do you think suffers similarly? Who are the unsung heroes of the rock scene?

I'd also like to put forward Jason Bieler of Saigon Kick/Super Transatlantic.
The demos this guy puts out on bvbmusic.com would put many 'signed' acts to shame.

The floor's open...]]> Preacherman NoticeboardSat, 03 Jun 2000 04:24:21 +1000